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re: Doctor Who Season 8 Premieres this Saturday
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:40 am to lagallifrey
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:40 am to lagallifrey
quote:Because the Doctor does have morality.
If the dalek were truly a non-moral entity, why would the doctor feel guilty about killing them at all or hesitate to do so?
I'm just disagreeing on one hand that the Daleks and Cybermen are the only truly evil foes in the universe and on the other hand that their evil is cut and dry. It isn't. They actually have less free will than most of the other who villains because they are actually programmed to behave the way they do. They would have to struggle against their programming to be good and moral.
And on the issue of killing the Daleks, that must really suck that he didn't kill the Daleks in the Baker era when he had a chance, then to be forced to not only kill the Daleks but the Time Lords too because of earlier inaction.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 8:41 am
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:55 am to TigerMyth36
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And on the issue of killing the Daleks, that must really suck that he didn't kill the Daleks in the Baker era when he had a chance, then to be forced to not only kill the Daleks but the Time Lords too because of earlier inaction.
Well, except that he didn't kill the time lords. He did think that he did for a while, which was indeed a burden on 9-11th.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:19 pm to lagallifrey
I have a question, if the Time Lords are trapped in time, how were they able to send a message?
How were they almost able to come back when Rassilon tried? That would mean time was moving in the pocket universe and at some point they should be able to figure a way back without destroying other planets.
But the way they explained the shift to the pocket universe, I am not sure I understand how they were able to plot with Rassilon to even come back.
They didn't just say they were moved to a pocket universe. They made it seem they were frozen in a moment of time in the pocket universe.
Per the Tardis Datecore site
How were they almost able to come back when Rassilon tried? That would mean time was moving in the pocket universe and at some point they should be able to figure a way back without destroying other planets.
But the way they explained the shift to the pocket universe, I am not sure I understand how they were able to plot with Rassilon to even come back.
They didn't just say they were moved to a pocket universe. They made it seem they were frozen in a moment of time in the pocket universe.
Per the Tardis Datecore site
quote:
the Doctors were able to devise a way to freeze Gallifrey in time, while allowing the Daleks to destroy themselves in the crossfire.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:29 pm to TigerMyth36
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How were they almost able to come back when Rassilon tried? That would mean time was moving in the pocket universe and at some point they should be able to figure a way back without destroying other planets.
IIRC, Rassilon's attempt was pre-End of Time War.
ETA: Also, re the message, there has to be some way to measure time inside the pocket universe, as the Zygons had to be able to scan human tech and break out.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:56 pm to TN Bhoy
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ETA: Also, re the message, there has to be some way to measure time inside the pocket universe, as the Zygons had to be able to scan human tech and break out.
Yeah I would expect there to be measurable time within the reference frame of the pocket universe.
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IIRC, Rassilon's attempt was pre-End of Time War.
That's how I understood it.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 9:59 am to lagallifrey
3 1/2 hour bump (my time)
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:10 am to TN Bhoy
Watched it last week. Will be nice to see it tonight in final form (as opposed to work print).
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:11 am to TN Bhoy
Watched it last week. Will be nice to see it tonight in final form (as opposed to work print).
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:37 pm to FalseProphet
Just watched it
SPOILERS
At least 13 on-screen exterminations (some with the old x-ray effect)
I found it funny that our argument of the week was the argument of the show
Danny Pink (new male companion) looks to be an interesting character. Very nice setup at the end of the ep from the Doctor
A few legit LOL moments (most in the beginning)
They were obviously going for the feel of "Dalek." I don't think they succeeded, but I'd still say it was a good ep.
I dgaf about the people on the ship. The definite weakness of the ep.
Two sonic-screwdriver-as-magic-wand moments
The "heaven" part was weird and didn't fit the episode. And we can definitely say Moffat lied about there not being a full-season arc.
Verdict: Above average (6-7 out of 10 on first watch)
End Spoilers
SPOILERS
At least 13 on-screen exterminations (some with the old x-ray effect)
I found it funny that our argument of the week was the argument of the show
Danny Pink (new male companion) looks to be an interesting character. Very nice setup at the end of the ep from the Doctor
A few legit LOL moments (most in the beginning)
They were obviously going for the feel of "Dalek." I don't think they succeeded, but I'd still say it was a good ep.
I dgaf about the people on the ship. The definite weakness of the ep.
Two sonic-screwdriver-as-magic-wand moments
The "heaven" part was weird and didn't fit the episode. And we can definitely say Moffat lied about there not being a full-season arc.
Verdict: Above average (6-7 out of 10 on first watch)
End Spoilers
This post was edited on 8/30/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 8/30/14 at 9:47 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
I found it funny that our argument of the week was the argument of the show
Moffat must read this board. I really enjoyed the episode. It definitely had a feel similar to the episode "Dalek," which is my favorite Dalek episode of the new series, and even made an allusion to one of the best lines from it.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:24 am to TN Bhoy
And it looks like they will address another argument from this thread in the next episode
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"In a sun-dappled Sherwood forest, the Doctor discovers an evil plan from beyond the stars and strikes up an unlikely alliance with Robin Hood," stated the BBC (via Doctor Who TV). "With all of Nottingham at stake, the Doctor must decide who is real and who is fake. Can impossible heroes really exist?"
Will the Doctor believe that the seemingly mythical Robin Hood is real? Can the famed archer put his trust in a time traveling alien from Gallifrey? According to showrunner Steven Moffat, those questions of trust will lead to a bit of a quarrel between Hood and the Doctor. "With all of Nottingham at stake (and possibly Derby), there's no time for the two adventurers to get into a fight about who is real and who isn't - which is probably why they do very little else!" Moffat told the Radio Time (via Blogter Who).
Posted on 9/1/14 at 12:46 pm to lagallifrey
My guess is that there will be a shot at present-day Nottingham.
Kind of interested in how this gels tone-wise with the rest of the season, especially with ep. 4 being the supposed "dark" GOAT.
ETA: Another thing from the last ep: I like that Danny Pink is more developed as a character already than Rory was in his first season.
Kind of interested in how this gels tone-wise with the rest of the season, especially with ep. 4 being the supposed "dark" GOAT.
ETA: Another thing from the last ep: I like that Danny Pink is more developed as a character already than Rory was in his first season.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 1:19 pm to TN Bhoy
I'm watching the 4th ep now.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 1:22 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
ETA: Another thing from the last ep: I like that Danny Pink is more developed as a character already than Rory was in his first season.
I liked Rory later on, but this is very true. I hope they can follow through after his strong introduction.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 10:40 am to Walking the Earth
3 hour UK bump
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:50 pm to TN Bhoy
Review:
SPOILERS
Most of the jokes work (some of the good ones may fall flat to a non-Brit audience)
Good beginning, slow middle, good end
The arrow making the ship fly and then it dying in orbit was really, really stupid.
IMO, should have been a few episodes later (especially re: Clara's thoughts on the Doctor).
Nice attack on the sonic (kind of ruined by the scene before it at the contest)
Tone was jarring
Third best outfit for Clara of her run (beaten only by Asylum and Cold War, IMO)
Will surprise people how active Capaldi is
Above average ep, but worst of the season so far.
/SPOILERS
SPOILERS
Most of the jokes work (some of the good ones may fall flat to a non-Brit audience)
Good beginning, slow middle, good end
The arrow making the ship fly and then it dying in orbit was really, really stupid.
IMO, should have been a few episodes later (especially re: Clara's thoughts on the Doctor).
Nice attack on the sonic (kind of ruined by the scene before it at the contest)
Tone was jarring
Third best outfit for Clara of her run (beaten only by Asylum and Cold War, IMO)
Will surprise people how active Capaldi is
Above average ep, but worst of the season so far.
/SPOILERS
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:22 am to TN Bhoy
quote:
Most of the jokes work (some of the good ones may fall flat to a non-Brit audience)
Hilarious episode. It was a delight to watch and rewatch. Lots of self-aware humor to the series as a whole. They intentionally made it over the top campy to make you side with the Doctor and his suspicions. I loved it.
quote:
Good beginning, slow middle, good end
The dungeon scene was my favorite part.
quote:
The arrow making the ship fly and then it dying in orbit was really, really stupid.
Agreed. But in an otherwise silly and campy episode I didn't care much.
quote:
Nice attack on the sonic (kind of ruined by the scene before it at the contest)
I agree, I laughed out loud at Clara's line about the screwdriver. I too thought the use at the contest was ridiculous on first viewing, but on rewatch realized he didn't make just some arrow or a target explode, but either his homing device or an explosive he had placed in he homing arrow.
quote:
Above average ep, but worst of the season so far.
I have liked them all so it is tough to say. If you don't like it then:
(Not upset just thought this was a funny and wholly unexpected moment.)
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:01 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
Above average ep, but worst of the season so far.
Disagree. Best episode so far. First time I really got a feel for who Capaldi is going to be.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:07 am to Wanderin Reb
quote:
Disagree. Best episode so far. First time I really got a feel for who Capaldi is going to be.
Agree. I haven't seen capaldi in anything besides Dr. Who, but he has been excellent and gets better with each episode so far. His comedic timing is phenomenal.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:11 am to Qwerty
Over here, there's a bit of a scandal about the BBC forcing the show to rewrite a scene due to violence (the final fight with the sheriff). IMO, the way the scene came out works much better flow-wise than the original.
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