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DC Comics "Rebirth"
Posted on 5/25/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/25/16 at 2:53 pm
Any of you read the DC Rebirth spoilers this week? They pulled some pretty bold moves. I'm not going to start collecting again or anything but I'm definitely going to keep an eye on where it goes.
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Pre-Flashpoint continuity is being brought back via
Yeah Watchmen are a part of the DC Universe proper now
Also happening, white Wally West is back, there are/have been three Jokers, new Superman is dead/pre-flashpoint replaces him and his son is Superboy, Darkseid is reincarnated as Superwomans(Earth-3) baby, Wonder Woman has a twin brother, and the old JSA is back.
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Pre-Flashpoint continuity is being brought back via
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The culprit: Doctor Manhattan, the atomically powered, almost god-like figure inWatchmen who’s more an antagonist than villain in Rebirth, Johns says. “If you’re going to have a conflict between optimism and pessimism, you need to have someone who represents a cynical view of life and also has the ability to affect this. I know it’s crazy but he felt like the right character to use.” How Watchmen is involved in the DC Universe is a mystery that will unfold in the background over the course of a couple years, but Rebirth in the mea
Yeah Watchmen are a part of the DC Universe proper now
Also happening, white Wally West is back, there are/have been three Jokers, new Superman is dead/pre-flashpoint replaces him and his son is Superboy, Darkseid is reincarnated as Superwomans(Earth-3) baby, Wonder Woman has a twin brother, and the old JSA is back.
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 2:58 pm to Murray
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Yeah the whole Dr. Manhattan thing is weird. I mean, I like the meta-take on it, but I'm not sure it works. I feel like DC is chasing some perfect setup for their characters. Every big event now seems to be about a reset or wipe.
Yeah the whole Dr. Manhattan thing is weird. I mean, I like the meta-take on it, but I'm not sure it works. I feel like DC is chasing some perfect setup for their characters. Every big event now seems to be about a reset or wipe.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:09 pm to Freauxzen
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Yeah the whole Dr. Manhattan thing is weird. I mean, I like the meta-take on it, but I'm not sure it works. I feel like DC is chasing some perfect setup for their characters. Every big event now seems to be about a reset or wipe.
I'll be honest. I don't get that feel with this one. Being one of the biggest fans of DC's legacy, Johns had a hard time hiding his... umm.. lack of enthusiasm when DC originally rolled out the New 52.
This really comes off like something he's been chomping at the bit to do since 2011 which is bring it back and more. I already see that Ted Kord is back. If the Blue and Gold get a title, I'll probably buy 100 copies
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:10 pm to Freauxzen
All hail Geoff Johns. This is the shot over the bow of Zach Snyder, and a rejection of the DCU by the comics division (unlike the Marvel thing). Here's a fantastic article on the whole thing:
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I haven't read it yet, but I love that Johns is asserting himself in the comics right as he's been promoted to the head of the universe. I have a feeling the DCU is about to get good... it's certainly in the right hands.
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Johns later confirmed in interviews that he intended Superboy Prime to represent the dark side of comic-book fandom. The character’s entitled rages and his obstinacy in the face of change, in light of the internet’s reaction to projects like the new all-female Ghostbusters, seem even more prescient in hindsight. Although Superboy Prime hasn’t popped up in DC Comics lately (he was, ironically, erased by Johns’ new metatextual meddler, Dr. Manhattan), I think about him pretty much every time internet fandom’s ugliest impulses rear their heads. With a little copy editing, some of the hate mail I got for my own Batman v Superman review could have worked perfectly as Superboy Prime dialogue.
If you liked Batman v Superman, that’s great; more power to you. There’s certainly room for darker, angrier superheroes, and clearly there’s an audience for them too. But there’s also an audience for the medium’s more uplifting side, one that’s been underserved in recent years. “I realize it wasn’t 10 years that was stolen from us,” Wally says at one point in DC Universe: Rebirth. “It was love.”
True to those words, the biggest moment in the entire comic book isn’t a slugfest between a hero and a villain. It’s a hug between two old partners.
I haven't read it yet, but I love that Johns is asserting himself in the comics right as he's been promoted to the head of the universe. I have a feeling the DCU is about to get good... it's certainly in the right hands.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:15 pm to Murray
I think it's stupid. They are trying to go back instead of foward. They killed the new superman and bring the superman with the red underwear back.
Geoff Johns is all about Silver age nostalgia and he's in charge of this run. Marvel moved foward correctly before they got aboard the PC SJW crowd. Some of their best story was during the New Avengers runs up until the recent Secret Wars.
It's no wonder Marvel is getting 51% of the comic sales with DC only getting 27%.
It use to be closer.
Geoff Johns is all about Silver age nostalgia and he's in charge of this run. Marvel moved foward correctly before they got aboard the PC SJW crowd. Some of their best story was during the New Avengers runs up until the recent Secret Wars.
It's no wonder Marvel is getting 51% of the comic sales with DC only getting 27%.
It use to be closer.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:18 pm to Murray
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I'll be honest. I don't get that feel with this one. Being one of the biggest fans of DC's legacy, Johns had a hard time hiding his... umm.. lack of enthusiasm when DC originally rolled out the New 52.
Wasn't Johns a part of the New-52 team though? Granted he wasn't editor in chief at the time, but...?
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This really comes off like something he's been chomping at the bit to do since 2011 which is bring it back and more. I already see that Ted Kord is back. If the Blue and Gold get a title, I'll probably buy 100 copies
Most of the changes do seem good, but the whole Dr. Manhattan thing just rubs me the wrong way. The Watchmen are supposed to be isolated. I mean it can work, but they have a pretty complex road ahead.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:21 pm to Duzz
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They are trying to go back instead of foward. They killed the new superman and bring the superman with the red underwear back.
They're doing both.
And why are you so obsessed with men's underwear?
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It's no wonder Marvel is getting 51% of the comic sales with DC only getting 27%.
You're right. It's isn't a wonder. New 52 drove them into the ground. Now the savior has returned. Johns be thy name.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:22 pm to Baloo
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All hail Geoff Johns. This is the shot over the bow of Zach Snyder, and a rejection of the DCU by the comics division (unlike the Marvel thing). Here's a fantastic article on the whole thing:
I knew that would be Matt Singer's article before I clicked. He's one of the critics that dogged BvS and Snyder long after the movie was news.
I don't think that Johns is casting Snyder as the villain. I think that he's using his multiple jobs to get things back on track. (And if his attempts at hope and fun seem like jabs at Snyder, so be it.)
I do have high hopes for Johns because of his success with correcting the previous clusterfricks in the DCU. (I know, he's also the king of violence, but that's just one tool in his toolbox).
Funny how Mark Waid addressed all of this in Kingdom Come (decades ago) and now Johns has his Superboy Prime in the role filled by the young misfit heroes of KC. Comics are so damned cyclical.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:22 pm to Freauxzen
He's not talking about the Watchmen as they existed though... this is clearly him talking about how Watchmen, the COMIC BOOK, destroyed the DC universe. And it's hard to argue otherwise, as the twin poles of Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns,* both brilliant deconstructions of the form, inspired countless imitators which only took the lesson of "be dark and gritty." Dr. Manhattan did rob us of those ten years, and helped create a universe based upon the pain and suffering of its characters.
It is impossible not to read Rebirth as metatextual.
*Can we talk about how Grant Morrison's brilliant run on Animal Man normally gets left out of this. The Coyote Gospel should be taught in your college lit classes. And while Watchmen is great, Alan Moore's legacy should be Swamp Thing, which is just as deconstructionist but is far more hopeful.
It is impossible not to read Rebirth as metatextual.
*Can we talk about how Grant Morrison's brilliant run on Animal Man normally gets left out of this. The Coyote Gospel should be taught in your college lit classes. And while Watchmen is great, Alan Moore's legacy should be Swamp Thing, which is just as deconstructionist but is far more hopeful.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:27 pm to Baloo
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He's not talking about the Watchmen as they existed though... this is clearly him talking about how Watchmen, the COMIC BOOK, destroyed the DC universe. And it's hard to argue otherwise, as the twin poles of Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns,* both brilliant deconstructions of the form, inspired countless imitators which only took the lesson of "be dark and gritty." Dr. Manhattan did rob us of those ten years, and helped create a universe based upon the pain and suffering of its characters.
It is impossible not to read Rebirth as metatextual.
All true, but doesn't this mean they have to somehow play a role?
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*Can we talk about how Grant Morrison's brilliant run on Animal Man normally gets left out of this. The Coyote Gospel should be taught in your college lit classes. And while Watchmen is great, Alan Moore's legacy should be Swamp Thing, which is just as deconstructionist but is far more hopeful.
Amen to both.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:28 pm to Fewer Kilometers
BTW, does anyone know what Johns' attachment to Baton Rouge is? He used to hang around here in the 2000's. I didn't know if he had family or if his wife or girlfriend was from around here.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:33 pm to Freauxzen
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Wasn't Johns a part of the New-52 team though? Granted he wasn't editor in chief at the time, but...?
Yeah he had to shill for them but that doesn't mean that Didio and Lee weren't driving the ship.
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Most of the changes do seem good, but the whole Dr. Manhattan thing just rubs me the wrong way. The Watchmen are supposed to be isolated. I mean it can work, but they have a pretty complex road ahead.
I'm ambivalent about the Watchmen really. I'll get annoyed with it if they start to play too much of a role in the restored DC. Especially since I like most of the Charlston characters they're based off of much better.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 4:11 pm to Murray
I don't know how I feel about Watchmen being shoehorned into DC continuity, but if it's as much a repudiation of the current DC universe as Watchmen was in '86 then I'm interested. I'll probably pick it up.
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 6:53 pm to Murray
I really hate how they're killing off the Superman and Wonder Woman relationship. I shipped it so hard as it was such a well done story and there is still so much potential with it.
Superman and Wonder Woman have been with Lois and Steve for over 70 years respectively, it's time for a change and the last five years was great. At least they're still together in the movies.
I really enjoyed New 52 Superman. It really did a hell of a job getting the essence of the character right and I loved it. Even when he lost his powers, he still didn't stop being Superman.
Superman and Wonder Woman have been with Lois and Steve for over 70 years respectively, it's time for a change and the last five years was great. At least they're still together in the movies.
I really enjoyed New 52 Superman. It really did a hell of a job getting the essence of the character right and I loved it. Even when he lost his powers, he still didn't stop being Superman.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:06 am to Murray
I really suggest everyone actually read the issue. It is fantastic. Johns is a master at his craft and expertly shows why in this. You can tell he put his heart into the story. His run on Justice League was epic. The changes when boiled down to just spoilers may sound weird, but in the context of the story they were amazing at every turn.
The new 52 basically destroyed every character (minus Snyder's run on Batman). Rebirth really feels like they are getting back on track. Its as if Johns was outvoted on new 52 and now has the sales to back up his voice. They have further empowered Johns, which is the right move.
As for the Watchmen thing, it has yet to be revealed how involved that will be. Manhattan wasnt even shown in Rebirth and is just a behind the scenes guy right now.
The new 52 basically destroyed every character (minus Snyder's run on Batman). Rebirth really feels like they are getting back on track. Its as if Johns was outvoted on new 52 and now has the sales to back up his voice. They have further empowered Johns, which is the right move.
As for the Watchmen thing, it has yet to be revealed how involved that will be. Manhattan wasnt even shown in Rebirth and is just a behind the scenes guy right now.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:08 am to BlacknGold
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I really suggest everyone actually read the issue. It is fantastic
I'm reading the Darkseid War now so that I can read it. So far I really like DW. Johns is very good, yes.
My main concern is the 3 Jokers bullshite. Maybe once I read it and it plays out I will like it, but at the moment I am very disappointed in that route
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:20 am to Midget Death Squad
I mostly stayed away from New 52 beyond some sampling. I really enjoyed the Rebirth issue. I'm interested enough to see where this goes.
I doubt that they'll stick with three Jokers. It's just one of the things that they're using to show that things are out of flux.
I'm thinking that we'll end up with a mix of post-crisis and the new DC movieverse. Johns will make everything happy, then slowly work in some of the darkness that made up the better stories (Dark Knight, Killing Joke, Watchmen).
The biggest shame is that all of this is happening right after the death of Darwyn Cooke. If you're making happier DC comics, no one could do it better than Cooke.
I doubt that they'll stick with three Jokers. It's just one of the things that they're using to show that things are out of flux.
I'm thinking that we'll end up with a mix of post-crisis and the new DC movieverse. Johns will make everything happy, then slowly work in some of the darkness that made up the better stories (Dark Knight, Killing Joke, Watchmen).
The biggest shame is that all of this is happening right after the death of Darwyn Cooke. If you're making happier DC comics, no one could do it better than Cooke.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:24 am to Midget Death Squad
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My main concern is the 3 Jokers bullshite.
we literally have no idea exactly what it means how its explained. all we know is there were/are 3 jokers. thats it. it will be explored later.
its somewhat similar to Morrison's Batman : RIP run where he incorporated all of batman's history as one single bruce/batman. im interested to see how they explain this.
Enjoy the War, its a fun ride. Johns is really great at telling big stories. You also dont have to have read it to read Rebirth. Rebirth goes over the past 10 years and explains it to old and new readers and basically where things stand and why.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:35 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I mostly stayed away from New 52 beyond some sampling.
Stop what you are doing and read ANIMAL MAN right now. It's the best thing to come out of TN52
Posted on 5/26/16 at 9:52 am to BlacknGold
In reading the New 52 books, it felt to me like it was a struggle between Lee, changing the DCU into the 90's vibe he had at Marvel and Image, and Johns, wanting to keep and use traditional concepts to build on. Like he did with Green Lantern and Flash. Seemed like Lee won out in the beginning, but as someone mentioned, sales flopped. I've always been a fan of Johns and have faith he will get it right.
But, I'm not too keen on getting Dr. Manhattan involved in the mainstream DCU. I thought Watchmen was terrific, but DC has way too many other characters they can use for this role.
But, I'm not too keen on getting Dr. Manhattan involved in the mainstream DCU. I thought Watchmen was terrific, but DC has way too many other characters they can use for this role.
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