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Siderophore
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

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Crackpot time: Varys sent the assassin to Winterfell in an attempt to destabilize the realm. As the spider, he would know that after John Arryn's death that Robert would then turn to his only true trustworthy friend, Ned. He knew that Ned would be honor bound to accept the appointment so in order to keep him from King's Landing he hires the assassin. Varys hoped that the attempt on Bran's life would make Ned think there were more enemies at home and keep him in the North.


The gaping flaw in this theory is that either Varys snuck up North on the train, or Luwin was an accomplice.

We also have a candid statement from Varys that he DOESNT want to destabilize the realm.

The timing for it was wrong.
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Siderophore
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
One thing I don't often see discussed:

Why did Varys tell Aerys to open the gates?


It was the lesser of two evils because a siege would have destroyed King's Landing with Aery's scorched earth plan?
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Papercutninja
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
It is known...but not the motivation.


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Papercutninja
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
I would think that he would be getting reports from Winterfell the entire time the king was there. Little birds in this case being actual birds, ravens. I would think that the king would be traveling with someone who could send ravens and it wouldnt be so far fetched to think of them in Varys' employ.

Also I think any claims that Varys made regarding destabilizing the realm are a little forced considering he is backing a new king.


Siderophore
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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I would think that the king would be traveling with someone who could send ravens


The problem isn't word getting to Varys.

It is him being able to respond.

It's been stated again and again that armies in the field cannot receive birds.

The only one in proximity that could have received a bird was Luwin.

So again, either Varys was there or Luwin an accomplice and part of his network.

As far fetched either of those are, any other explaination is worse.


Siderophore
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
The hitman doesn't sound like a Varys hire either.

One of his little birds would have quietly backed out, or sneakily killed Cat.

Not drunkenly slur "You aren't supposed to be here."


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OMLandshark
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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One thing I don't often see discussed:

Why did Varys tell Aerys to open the gates?



He didn't. That was Pycelle. Varys told Aerys not to open the gates.


ornagestorm
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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Why did Varys tell Aerys to open the gates?


Varys told him not to open the gates, it was Pycelle who told him to open them.


Siderophore
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
*facepalm*

Wow, how did I get that wrong.

Thought they both were saying it.

*rereads the series in shame*


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OMLandshark
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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Varys told him not to open the gates, it was Pycelle who told him to open them.



Thinking about it, I'm surprised Varys didn't try to kill Aerys off in some form. Yeah, he may have Targaryen loyalty (unlikely), but it seems that with there being more Targaryen's out there that he would have tried to kill off Aerys much earlier if he were truly loyal to the Targaryen to get Rhaegar on the throne, or in the very least one of the younger Targaryens. Varys had a golden candidate to take up the throne with Rhaegar, but instead he tried to play his father against the son, and thus making him even more paranoid. Why would he pit them against each other when he is trying to put Rhaegar's own child on the throne?

I'm pretty sure Varys is a Blackfyre, as is this Aegon. The real baby Aegon was killed by the Mountain. Varys is not at all loyal to the Targaryens, and it wouldn't shock me if he is planning on Danys' death right now in order for Aegon to get her dragons.


OMLandshark
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Does anyone here doubt that the Knight of the Laughing Tree was Lyanna Stark?


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Papercutninja
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Hmmm...interesting. I guess I am just trying to make a connection to Varys because he is the most mysterious character in the books. I feel like his manipulations are so much more drawn out and well planned than any other character.


Josh Fenderman
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Has this been posted yet?
New Arianne sample chapter

He says he just put it up today. I haven't been reading what he's been putting out so far so I don't know if yall have already read this.


Carson123987
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
thanks for posting. i never read the sample chapters though


OMLandshark
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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thanks for posting. i never read the sample chapters though



Why not?

EDIT: Really wish this chapter was Arya or Sansa centric, since we haven't heard from Sansa in a while and Littlefinger is always great.
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Josh Fenderman
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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Why not?

Honestly I'd rather just wait for the book to come out.

Thought I'd just post so you people can come up with even more wild conspiracy theories in this thread that I'll never catch up on.


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Siderophore
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Next book is going to be interesting as hell.

Just as all hell breaks loose between man and shite gets real.....here comes the War for the Dawn.


Carson123987
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
i think it'll be the best of the series


OMLandshark
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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i think it'll be the best of the series



The darkest of the books usually is, and this will most certainly be the darkest of them.


kingbob
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
I don't know how you can get any darker than the Red Wedding. However, I'm sure G R R Martin will show me just how that's possible.


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