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re: Breaking Bad Plothole
Posted on 4/5/15 at 11:37 am to Jay Quest
Posted on 4/5/15 at 11:37 am to Jay Quest
Walt made plenty of mistakes but was a master at getting out of trouble and correcting the mistakes. Also he left the book in there because of his ego. Watch the scene where he puts it down on the night stand and kind of laughs about it. He was cocky, arrogant and didn't think he could be touched.
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Posted on 4/5/15 at 11:48 am to Mr. Wayne
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The 3% was the difference between Walt and the chemists other drug lords could hire. Gus wanted to own the best product on the market to keep his edge
Maybe the best, the amateurs in the desert didnt get that close, but yea the reason Gale was dead is because Gus didn't have to have that extra 3% when his business was going to be the only one operating in the region. With his plan to start exporting to europe and such a monopoly he would have still made his truck loads of money.
Its very unlikely Gale took his notes wrong as Walt claimed in the one episode and Gale would have likely eventually improved. Later Todd had started cooks in the 80% range that if you remember he told Lydia "and it's blue", which made her happy. Definitely some ambiguity about how this was happening as you recall there were copy cats that used food coloring too.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 12:05 pm to Jagd Tiger
I always thought that Walt explained the blue color being from using pure "methylamine" and not crushed up sudafed.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 12:19 pm to KorrBG20
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Thoughts?
1) You don't know what a plothole is
2) You're dumb
3) This thread is stupid
Posted on 4/5/15 at 12:26 pm to KorrBG20
I'm not gonna dig into the other stuff, because others already have... But
bc the purity was pure shite, I think Lydia mentions it only being at 60% and that she needs to break off the deal with Todd and his uncle because her people in Europe aren't interested... Thats when Todd says they hit 90 whatever percent. It wasn't perfect, but it was a shite ton better than what she had come to know and her people would want that quality.
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he cooks for the Nazi's with a purity between 91-96% and it's perfectly acceptable.
bc the purity was pure shite, I think Lydia mentions it only being at 60% and that she needs to break off the deal with Todd and his uncle because her people in Europe aren't interested... Thats when Todd says they hit 90 whatever percent. It wasn't perfect, but it was a shite ton better than what she had come to know and her people would want that quality.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 12:38 pm to Mr. Wayne
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The 3% was the difference between Walt and the chemists other drug lords could hire. Gus wanted to own the best product on the market to keep his edge.
I still think 96% pure meth was rare in the universe. I don't think the Mexican meth cooks could cook it, and the Nazis and Arizona gangs certainly couldn't. The only 3 people that we know can cook 96% pure meth are Walt and Gale (who are chemistry prodigies) and Jesse (whose a hell of a lot smarter than he seems).
Posted on 4/5/15 at 12:47 pm to KorrBG20
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Why not just kill Walt then. He tries to kill Walt after he runs over a couple of low-level gangbangers. If he didn't want to work with him and didn't want him to work for someone else, then Gus could've just killed him.
Yeah, I think its clear that no one besides Walt, Gale, and Jesse could even get close to Heisenberg level meth. If there were several dozen other cooks that could do it, the he wouldn't have hesitated in killing them.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 12:55 pm to Jay Quest
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The only real issue I had with Breaking Bad was the manner in which Hank figured out Walt's involvement in the meth business. Given his attention to detail and his natural paranoia, there was no way in hell Walt would have left that book, with its inscription, in a bathroom he knew Hank would use.
I disagree. I think subconsciously he wanted to play a cat-and-mouse game with Hank. No way in hell would he have told Hank that Gale wasn't Heisenberg if he didn't want to continue this game. I think Walt had a paranoia about everyone except the one guy who was his true biggest threat. Yeah, there were instances where Walt recognized Hank's threat to him, but once Walt put him off of his trail, he'd continue taunting Hank all over again.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 1:23 pm to Lsut81
When he tells Lydia that, it's because Jesse is cooking it, not Todd.
And to the peoplke talking about the color being what it is because of this or that, no. It wasn't because he used a chemical. It was his way of cooking it. Even Todd talk about how one time it got too hot and cooked the color out of it.
In reality, it was only made blue by the show to give Walt's product a uniqueness and recognizability.
And to the peoplke talking about the color being what it is because of this or that, no. It wasn't because he used a chemical. It was his way of cooking it. Even Todd talk about how one time it got too hot and cooked the color out of it.
In reality, it was only made blue by the show to give Walt's product a uniqueness and recognizability.
This post was edited on 4/5/15 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/5/15 at 1:46 pm to LuckySo-n-So
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I always thought that Walt explained the blue color being from using pure "methylamine" and not crushed up sudafed.
No, as Walt said "it's a little tweak of chemistry" that made it blue. Only Jesse and Walt knew how.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 1:48 pm to OMLandshark
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think subconsciously he wanted to play a cat-and-mouse game with Hank
You're right, there's no question Walt wanted the recognition. He may have even had a notion to tell Hank, in order to garner that recognition from him, but thought better of it. Walt had lived something of a milquetoast life prior to his illness and he was savoring his new found position in the world. I don't think he was playing games with Hank though and I don't think leaving the book out was part of a game. There was too much on the line.
I agree Walt had a need to taunt his brother-in-law and he did have a less than completely realistic image of himself as a criminal and as a mastermind. So who knows. I wish they had maneuvered Hank in Walt's direction via another device.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 1:50 pm to Jay Quest
Greymatter already took credit for his work, he wasn't letting someone to do to him again.
This post was edited on 4/5/15 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/5/15 at 1:51 pm to LSUSoulja08
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1) You don't know what a plothole is
2) You're dumb
3) This thread is stupid
Maybe plothole was a strong word. It is more of a criticism. Again, I love the show, it's one of my favorites. I just sort of question Gus's motive with hiring Walt in the first place.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 1:57 pm to KorrBG20
Yeah but it was a dumb criticism. In my opinion, of course
Posted on 4/5/15 at 2:03 pm to SEClint
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When he tells Lydia that, it's because Jesse is cooking it, not Todd.
No shite... I'll paraphrase the convo
Lydia: Were going to have to take a break
Todd: 91%, the last batch was 91%
Lydia: 91%, thats heisenberg levels... He's not cooking for you, is he?
Todd: Even better, Pinkman
I was pointing out that the 90 percent Jesse was cooking for the Nazis is acceptable to Lydia because the quality was pure shite and her clients weren't happy... She was breaking off business ties to them prior to finding out the quality was back up.
That scenario had nothing to do with what Gus was expecting during his dealings with Walt.
This post was edited on 4/5/15 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 4/5/15 at 2:05 pm to Lsut81
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thats heisenberg levels
Heisenberg was on another level
Posted on 4/5/15 at 2:07 pm to dr smartass phd
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Greymatter already took credit for his work, he wasn't letting someone to do to him again.
I really do understand the angle you guys are presenting. What you're saying about Walt's need to be recognized for his work fits him to a tee. I just think it would have taken a lot more than this character flaw for him to risk all. Just an opinion.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 2:10 pm to JimMorrison
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Heisenberg was on another level
I didn't say he wasn't... I"m just quoting what she said
Here is the exact quote
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Lydia: I wish I had your certainty, but I'm not like you and your uncle. I'm just, I'm not used to this sort of risk. We're gonna have to take a break.
*Lydia grabs her purse and begins searching through it*
Todd: I have fifty pounds vacuum-packed and ready to go.
Lydia: And I wish you all the luck in the world with it.
Todd: It's 92%.
Lydia: I'm sorry?
Todd: 92%.
Lydia: Truly?
Todd: Tested it twice and it's blue just like before.
Lydia: 92? That's Heisenberg level. He's not with you?
Todd: Next best thing, Pinkman.
Lydia: They're looking for Pinkman.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 2:22 pm to JimMorrison
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Yeah but it was a dumb criticism. In my opinion, of course
Alright, I just wanted to discuss it. So, Gale could cook meth P2P style with a 96% purity with his own formula, but he couldn't figure out how to make it blue. And that was enough for Gus to hire Walt, who he doesn't want to work with anyway.
So, The show stretches my belief that Gus, this extremely careful business man who literally took years to find, vette, and groom Gale (and we know this because Gus created that chemistry scholarship program) would just suddenly hire a guy "he doesn't consider a professional" to do the most crucial part of the entire multi-million dollar meth empire for the blue color and an extra 3% purity. I think it's a pretty valid criticism.
And it's an easily fixable issue...just make it so Gale could only get to 85% purity or something. I would totally buy it for Gus to want to have the best on the market if that were the case.
Posted on 4/5/15 at 2:30 pm to Jay Quest
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I really do understand the angle you guys are presenting. What you're saying about Walt's need to be recognized for his work fits him to a tee. I just think it would have taken a lot more than this character flaw for him to risk all. Just an opinion.
When he died, he died with his baby blue. Just him alone and all the accolades, no one else
This post was edited on 4/5/15 at 2:31 pm
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