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re: ASOIAF: Choose Your Knights of the Kingsguard (Spoilers)
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:25 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:25 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Ned Stark - I don't need any more honor and all indications suggest he is an average fighter, certainly not worthy of the Kingsguard
Where do you guys read this? He was responsible for the defeat of 3 great KG including the Sword of the Morning. He also was the commander of the Usurper's forces and won every battle he was in. I'm pretty sure he knows how to swing Ice. He's from the North. Their prowess does not get sung about because the singers don't go there.
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I don't really want a guy who is honorable to a fault. We all saw how it played out with him playing the game of thrones.
Not suited to be Hand the same way great members of the KG weren't in the past. The Hand rules while the King is busy. The KG serves. Wouldn't you want someone honorable to a fault then?
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Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:29 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Wouldn't you want someone honorable to a fault then?
Not if I want them to do some underhanded things.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:29 pm to Tiger1242
Can and do
I keep my dogs under control
I keep my dogs under control
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:29 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
quote:yep, willing to change loyalties on a whim
Bronn
Perfect Gold Cloak leader.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:33 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
quote:
Not if I want them to do some underhanded things.
Their most important oath is to serve the King. Ned would do as he was told if his King commanded him.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:34 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
1.Lord Commander: Jaime Lannister (with both hands)
2. Strong Belwas
3. Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane
4. Daario Naharis
5. Beric Dondarrion
6. Oberyn "The Red Viper" Martell
7. Areo Hotah
My kingsguard would be rough around the edges, but could kill anyone who fricked with me without problems.
2. Strong Belwas
3. Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane
4. Daario Naharis
5. Beric Dondarrion
6. Oberyn "The Red Viper" Martell
7. Areo Hotah
My kingsguard would be rough around the edges, but could kill anyone who fricked with me without problems.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:36 pm to Mr. Wayne
quote:yeah but he'd nag me about it for years after
Ned would do as he was told if his King commanded him.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:36 pm to Mr. Wayne
Ned fricking rebelled against a 3000 year old dynasty He's the last guy I want
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:37 pm to DelU249
You're just asking for trouble then
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:38 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Where do you guys read this? He was responsible for the defeat of 3 great KG including the Sword of the Morning.
As I recall, he and his men outnumbered the Kingsguard 2 to 1 at least. You say this as if he killed Arthur Dayne in single combat. My understanding is he damn near died and Howland Reed saved his arse. He commanded one arm of Robert's army during the revolt. I never said he wasn't a hell of a leader and tactician, but I don't see him beating Dayne, Selmy, Hotah, Garlan, Rhaegar, or Ser Robert Strong/Red Viper in single combat. He could probably best Thoros, but I don't have Thoros on the Kingsguard for his prowess with a sword.
ETA: And to clarify - my criteria for Kingsguard does not specifically include tactical or strategic understanding. Most of what the Kingsguard does is stand around and wait for some fools to try to kill the king, even during times of war. They aren't generals. So, the two most weighted categories of a Kingsguard are loyalty and swordsmanship. Strategy and tactical planning are lagniappe. The only exception is Thoros, who can bring the dead back to life.
This post was edited on 5/8/13 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:40 pm to Mr. Wayne
quote:
Ned would do as he was told if his King commanded him.
He wasn't into killy Dany when he was Robert's hand.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:43 pm to manwich
Updated:
King for a Day version
1. (Lord Commander) Dolorous Edd
2. Alisser Thorne
3. Walder Frey
4. Rattleshirt
5. the Pyromancer
6. Daario Bluehairris
7. Aerys II
Ultimate badass version (with them, i could unite the two continents):
1. (Lord Commander) Aegon the Conqueror
2. Aemon the Dragonknight
3. Arthur Dayne
4. Jmaei Lnanitster
5. The Hound
6. The Mountain
7. Barriston Selmy
King for a Day version
1. (Lord Commander) Dolorous Edd
2. Alisser Thorne
3. Walder Frey
4. Rattleshirt
5. the Pyromancer
6. Daario Bluehairris
7. Aerys II
Ultimate badass version (with them, i could unite the two continents):
1. (Lord Commander) Aegon the Conqueror
2. Aemon the Dragonknight
3. Arthur Dayne
4. Jmaei Lnanitster
5. The Hound
6. The Mountain
7. Barriston Selmy
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:45 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
You say this as if he killed Arthur Dayne in single combat
I realize he had numbers, but nowhere in the novels does it describe him as an average fighter as you put it. It does talk of how the North's fighters are undervalued because they don't really do tournaments and the singers rarely visit to make songs about how bad arse they are. Ever heard of Cregan Stark? Probably not and I just happened to catch his name in passing. Aemon the Dragonknight called him the greatest swordsman he ever met. Point being, the North is full of bad mother's that don't go around trying to pump up their legends. I don't think he was on the other's levels, but he would have made for a great Lord Commander.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:46 pm to CottonWasKing
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What battles did Dunk lose?
First fight - Ashford Tourney - Lost
Second fight - Aerion - Won but barely and if anybody with better skill than Aerion he would have lost (had to use wrestling)
Third fight - Ser Lucas Longinch - Won but only because he was slightly bigger, Would have died if he wasn't in the water. (had to use wrestling)
Fourth fight - Butterwell Wedding - Lost
Fifth fight - Heddle - Won may be the only time he truly won but we don't know if that guy was any good.
It seems he is terrible with weapons and only wins by wrestling. Doesn't seem like a person you want on a kingsguard.
After researching it only seemed like he lost all his battles. Still doesn't change my mind though.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:47 pm to manwich
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1. (Lord Commander) Aegon the Conqueror
Day 1 of being LC. Puts a sword in you or has his dragon eat you. Names himself KING. Why because he is the Conqueror.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:47 pm to DelU249
quote:
Ned fricking rebelled against a 3000 year old dynasty
Dude killed his father and brother in a fictional world version of the movie Saw. If I'm King, he won't have such strong moral objections lol.
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:47 pm to Mr. Wayne
quote:
I don't think he was on the other's levels, but he would have made for a great Lord Commander.
Sure, but better than Arthur Dayne? What about Barristan Selmy? Because if Arthur Dayne weren't available, Barristan Selmy would be the Lord Commander.
ETA: Would I want Ned Stark on my side? You bet your arse. I'd want Robb Stark on my side, too. Both are pretty spectacular tacticians and strategists, though Robb admittedly had the advice of one of the most diabolical frickers in Westeros - Roose Bolton.
This post was edited on 5/8/13 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:48 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
quote:
Day 1 of being LC. Puts a sword in you or has his dragon eat you. Names himself KING. Why because he is the Conqueror.
dude, he took a vow
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:48 pm to manwich
quote:
1. (Lord Commander) Aegon the Conqueror
2. Aemon the Dragonknight
3. Arthur Dayne
4. Bloodraven
5. The Hound
6. The Mountain
7. Barriston Selmy
FIFY
This post was edited on 5/8/13 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 5/8/13 at 2:50 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
What's our geek level in this thread? A million
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