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Anyone ever watched God's and generals or Gettysburg?

Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:19 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16007 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:19 pm
Just curious if they're worth the watch or not. Have also never seen Lincoln and am in the mood for a civil war flick.
Posted by thatguy
Member since Aug 2006
6888 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:26 pm to
Love Gettysburg. Hated Gods and Generals. Way too much unneeded dialog and the battle scenes were lacking.

Gettysburg dialog, while at times long, was interesting and pertinent to the battle. And the battle scenes themselves are intense.
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36203 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:32 pm to
Gettysburg is great, very true to the source material. The book, not the war.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16007 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:35 pm to
How's lincoln?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64952 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:36 pm to
Gettysburg follows its source material very well. Quite faithful to the book. Gods and Generals does not.

Ronald F. Maxwell's big mistake was turning Gods and Generals into a motion picture. It should have been a TV miniseries and it should have followed the book. It would have been great had it done so.

Instead they made it into a pseudo-Stonewall Jackson biopic and tried to give it the look, feel, and structure of a Shakespearean tragedy. Terrible decision.
Posted by BamaSaint
Mobile, Al
Member since Mar 2013
2945 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:36 pm to
I liked both of them. Gettysburg is a better film though. Both books are great. Still holding out for the final film in the trilogy, "The Last Full Measure"
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16007 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

The Last Full Measure"
what's that about
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:46 pm to
I own Gods and Generals. The scenes where Jackson is wrecking shop on the Union gives me a thrill.

G&G was criticized by (surprise) certain members of society as being too 'pro-Confederate'. Apparently any movie about the war is supposed to portray the South as evildoers.

I don't think the 3rd film will ever be made.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58036 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:58 pm to
I liked Gettysburg.

Gods and Generals though was boring as all get out IMO. Took me several times to finish it.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64952 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

what's that about


Grant vs. Lee.

Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:09 am to
You won't be able to finish Gods & Generals. You WILL fall asleep.

You can't tell any of the characters apart and the never-ending walls of dialogue and no action are brutal to endure.

I say this as someone who loves the Thin Red Line, which gets the same criticism, so put that into perspective and imagine how boring Gods & Generals is.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:03 am to
Saw both of them in Theaters. Gods and Generals had an intermission. Only movie I've ever been too with an intermission.

Both gold movies though if you like that sort of thing. It's basically a 4 hour dialogue /history lesson/period piece
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18405 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:08 am to
Gettysburg is very good.

Gods and Generals is very mediocre.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
12741 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:50 am to
quote:

Gettysburg follows its source material very well. Quite faithful to the book. Gods and Generals does not.

Ronald F. Maxwell's big mistake was turning Gods and Generals into a motion picture. It should have been a TV miniseries and it should have followed the book. It would have been great had it done so.

Instead they made it into a pseudo-Stonewall Jackson biopic and tried to give it the look, feel, and structure of a Shakespearean tragedy. Terrible decision.


I will agree with all of this. I understand wanting/needing to change G&G because the book does not cover first Manassas from the battlefield, only from the perspective of those in Richmond. I own the uncut version of G&G and parts of it make it better (you get to see Antietam) but parts make it worse (you get a side story with John Wilkes Booth and you actually lose a little of Jackson's devout Christianity). I also feel like there were some parts that were added that were added only to make it slightly more politically correct.

I will say that as a biopic of Jackson, it is pretty well done.

quote:

G&G was criticized by (surprise) certain members of society as being too 'pro-Confederate'. Apparently any movie about the war is supposed to portray the South as evildoers.

I don't think the 3rd film will ever be made.
What bugs me is that if you read the books, they balance out. G&G is slightly pro Confederate, but the south was kicking arse and taking names at that time. Gettysburg is perfectly balanced, and Last Full Measure is slightly pro Yankee, but the tide had turned and the north was moving on to win. Read Sharaa's four books on the western theater and they are all slightly pro Yankee because they cover a theater where the south really never had much chance at victory.

Last Full Measure will never be made for a couple of reasons. Sharaa wasn't happy with how G&G turned out and I think would insist on being more involved with the screenplay. But secondly, Ted Turner doesn't have the money to finance the production (well, he does but doesn't want to spend it). I think if he had held on to his media empire and not sold out to Time Warner, we would have seen some version of Last Full Measure made. Probably a miniseries on TNT.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51241 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:58 am to
Gettysburg is incredible. The battle scenes look somewhat corny and made-for-TV-ish a lot of the time, but the movie as a whole is very, very good.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16007 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:43 pm to
Thanks for the input guys. Anybody know where I can get gettysburg. Sounds like that's the boards consensus
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
12741 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:09 pm to
You can stream it on Amazon. They have both the original version and the extended cut.

I don't remember what is included in the extended cut of this one - I think it was minimal, not like the 30+ minutes that was cut from the theatrical release of G&G.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64952 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

I don't remember what is included in the extended cut of this one


The Gettysburg extended cut features:

- Two deleted scenes of Buford and his cavalry riding into and through Gettysburg
- An extended scene featuring Lee and his aide Major Taylor on the morning of the first day of the battle
- A deleted scene of Reynolds and Buford at the Lutheran Seminary
- An extended scene of Tom Chamberlain talking to a 2nd Maine mutineer about bugle calls
- An extended scene of Pickett's arrival at Longstreet's encampment
- A deleted scene featuring Pickett talking to Longstreet alone
- A deleted scene featuring Lee talking to Ewell and his subordinates about their failure to take Cemetery Hill
- An extended scene between Longstreet and Fremantle on the second day of the battle
- An extended scene between Longstreet and Harrison after the fighting on the second day
- A deleted scene of Trimble dictating to his aide a message for Longstreet during Pickett's Charge on the battle's third day

In all....there are 17 minutes of additional footage in the extended cut for Gettysburg. Compare that to the full hour of additional footage found in the Gods and Generals extended director's cut.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:19 am to
Do you like plays? Because G&G is just a play with really high production values.
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