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re: Alcatraz S1E2
Posted on 1/25/12 at 8:48 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 1/25/12 at 8:48 am to Fun Bunch
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To be fair, Fringe started out exactly like this and took almost the entire first season to build towards an overall storyline. Which I think is one of the reasons the show's ratings have been poor.
There are a few problems I have with this show:
1) The main chick is awful. She's terrible as an actress and not interesting at all. Why do I care about her? What makes her interesting? Nothing. At least Olivia Dunham had some stuff going on to start Fringe.
2) None of the "main" characters are one of the ones that disappeared. That would make the show interesting. Have a main character not know why the frick he has awakened, etc. Maybe he was framed for a murder and sent to Alcatraz and now doesn't know how he got here, and they need him to help with the others, while he tries to put pieces together. Whatever.
3) No one is really surprised about what is happening. Both Hurley and Blonde take it pretty much in stride. Oh people disappeared and reappeared 50 years later? Magically? And now they are murderers? And my grandfather is one of them and I chased him and he led to my partner's death? Ok. Cool. Let's get these guys.
4) The mysteries are somewhat boring. Ok, the doctor and foreign chick didn't age, so they must have been Alcatraz too. They were doing something with blood. There's some secrets? Who cares? On Lost, the mysteries were mind-bogglingly interesting. Here? Who cares?
There should be more drama. There should be more intrigue. They should do a better job on building INTERESTING mysteries. They should once in awhile abandon the procedural aspects and make things slightly more serial.
And bring in more main characters with interesting backgrounds.
This show is not Fringe. It is not Lost.
It is unfair to compare them. Watch this and learn:
1. The show is not funny at all. When I watched the first 3 seasons of the Office, I laughed at every episode, a lot. This show has no humor. Boring.
See. It makes no sense. Why? Because I'm comparing two shows for no real reason.
This show isn't Lost. This show isn't Fringe. There will never be another show like Lost. If you move on, you'll be able to sit back and enjoy tv just a little bit more.
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Posted on 1/25/12 at 10:36 am to hashtag
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There will never be another show like Lost.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 11:36 am to BlacknGold
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honestly, because hes not that type of character. he doesnt have the balls yet.
He had the balls to chase him out of the diner and face him one on one though.
Come on, he's suppose to be a smart character. He should've known that it would be a lot safer to handle it in the diner where there are others who may have helped depending on the kid's reaction. Chasing him outside in the dark was the single most stupid decision he could've made in that situation.
It's these little things about this show that makes it seem really cheesy to me. Just seems unrealistic, even in a world where time travel(or cloning or fountain of youth) may be a real possibility.
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 11:38 am
Posted on 1/25/12 at 1:02 pm to hashtag
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See. It makes no sense. Why? Because I'm comparing two shows for no real reason.
I think Abrams is the commonality here. Which is why people keep comparing the shows.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 1:12 pm to hashtag
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This show is not Fringe. It is not Lost.
It is unfair to compare them. Watch this and learn:
1. The show is not funny at all. When I watched the first 3 seasons of the Office, I laughed at every episode, a lot. This show has no humor. Boring.
See. It makes no sense. Why? Because I'm comparing two shows for no real reason.
This show isn't Lost. This show isn't Fringe. There will never be another show like Lost. If you move on, you'll be able to sit back and enjoy tv just a little bit more.
Abrams, Bender, and that entire team are involved. In fact, Abrams has made several comments comparing it to both shows and saying they were trying to work out the kinks that those shows suffered from early on.
So... yeah, its a valid comparison.
The point of comparison was that this is a similar genre show, and why those shows WORK, and why this one doesn't so far.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:38 am to BlacknGold
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honestly, because hes not that type of character. he doesnt have the balls yet.
that's what I was just thinking after reading through these comments. He is not that kind of person.
I like the show so far. The warden is great. Really interesting character.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:40 am to HideChaKidz
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Come on, he's suppose to be a smart character. He should've known that it would be a lot safer to handle it in the diner where there are others who may have helped depending on the kid's reaction. Chasing him outside in the dark was the single most stupid decision he could've made in that situation.
I'm sure you always make right decisions.
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It's these little things about this show that makes it seem really cheesy to me. Just seems unrealistic,
so because he did something impulsive and stupid it's not realistic.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 7:35 am to adammwilson
I agree with most of the comments here. I was disappointed in the acting from the beginning but was hoping for it to get better or the plots to overshadow it. Hasn't happened yet. One more episode of lackluster performance and I may give up on it.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 8:14 am to hoppinnissan
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Come on, he's suppose to be a smart character. He should've known that it would be a lot safer to handle it in the diner where there are others who may have helped depending on the kid's reaction. Chasing him outside in the dark was the single most stupid decision he could've made in that situation
I agree that the acting has been kind of poor so far and the plot is developing kind of slow. However, I can't complain much about his character. Although most of us would agree we wouldn't have handled the situation like that his character is supposed to be vulnerable. He's a comic book nerd that is thrown into this type of situation. Add in his past that they hinted at with being "taken" and you have what you've seen thus far. It fits with the whole "I don't know if I can handle this" thing hes got going. Also, I'm not expecting anything crazy to happen within the first three episodes. If they expect to continue the series they can't give it all away that quick. At the same time if they expect people to keep watching they better throw out a hook. Something big will come soon I think...I hope.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 8:38 am to lsugrad35
Hurley reminds me of Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon saying "I'm too old for this shite" after every intense scene, except Hurley is just saying "I don't think I'm cut out for this."
That scene in solitary with the Warden lighting matches was legit creepy. I kept expecting the child killer to be behind him and break his neck or something each time the match would light back up.
I agree the acting is very sub-par, but I do think the show has potential, mainly because I've always been obsessed with Alcatraz. I just hope they don't frick up what could potentially be pretty awesome.
and Hurley didn't attack the kidnapper in the diner because he's just a big kid himself. That was the point of the show. It's like he knew he should do something, but didn't have the balls to do it. I thought that was pretty self explanatory with the whole "I'm not cut out for this stuff." line every 5 minutes. But eventually I think he's gonna grab his nuts and take someone out when we're all least expecting it......if anyone is still watching that is.
That scene in solitary with the Warden lighting matches was legit creepy. I kept expecting the child killer to be behind him and break his neck or something each time the match would light back up.
I agree the acting is very sub-par, but I do think the show has potential, mainly because I've always been obsessed with Alcatraz. I just hope they don't frick up what could potentially be pretty awesome.
and Hurley didn't attack the kidnapper in the diner because he's just a big kid himself. That was the point of the show. It's like he knew he should do something, but didn't have the balls to do it. I thought that was pretty self explanatory with the whole "I'm not cut out for this stuff." line every 5 minutes. But eventually I think he's gonna grab his nuts and take someone out when we're all least expecting it......if anyone is still watching that is.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 8:42 am to Michael J Cocks
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Hurley reminds me of Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon saying "I'm too old for this shite" after every intense scene, except Hurley is just saying "I don't think I'm cut out for this."
What's his name gave him the put up or shut up speech at the end so I think you won't hear much about it anymore.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 8:44 am to Michael J Cocks
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I do think the show has potential, mainly because I've always been obsessed with Alcatraz
Same here
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Hurley didn't attack the kidnapper in the diner because he's just a big kid himself. That was the point of the show. It's like he knew he should do something, but didn't have the balls to do it. I thought that was pretty self explanatory with the whole "I'm not cut out for this stuff." line every 5 minutes. But eventually I think he's gonna grab his nuts and take someone out when we're all least expecting it......if anyone is still watching that is.
My thoughts exactly
Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:15 am to lsugrad35
Also after reading through the thread again and seeing someone talking about more main characters needed as opposed to a new prisoner coming back every week to wreak havoc.....I think the guy we saw in the Pilot(1st hour) might be that guy. So far he seems to be the only prisoner we've seen with any kind of heart. He somewhat got a bad wrap by robbing a grocery store that sold stamps making it a federal offense and he only killed when extremely provoked(attacked in another prison) up until last week. And he seemed very dazed and almost like he was under some kind of spell and didn't know why he killed that one guy that he robbed for a key, only that he was told he had to. I think eventually they'll go to him for more answers and it will be some kind of road to redemption for him as well, as he's trying to fill in some holes for himself.
But my take on him so far is he looked like a guy that was in a trance or something, then when he got caught he looked like he woke up from a night of binge drinking and popping xanax and didn't remember shite. Also he's the only one that had a "mission" and killed via instructions. The other 2 guys so far were just evil fricks who were filling their respective evil appetites. I think him and the girls grandfather will end up being the whole "oh shite" moments we're expecting from Abrams.
But my take on him so far is he looked like a guy that was in a trance or something, then when he got caught he looked like he woke up from a night of binge drinking and popping xanax and didn't remember shite. Also he's the only one that had a "mission" and killed via instructions. The other 2 guys so far were just evil fricks who were filling their respective evil appetites. I think him and the girls grandfather will end up being the whole "oh shite" moments we're expecting from Abrams.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:28 am to Michael J Cocks
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I think him and the girls grandfather will end up being the whole "oh shite" moments we're expecting from Abrams.
I agree. They are definitely going to go deeper with the first guy they caught with all the screen time he gets.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:30 am to hoppinnissan
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I agree. They are definitely going to go deeper with the first guy they caught with all the screen time he gets.
at least I hope, because he does seem like a very likable character once we get to the bottom of his mystery....I also bet you a million pesos that he ends up fricking the blonde cop!
Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:30 am to Michael J Cocks
LOVE LOVE this show.
Posted on 1/26/12 at 12:14 pm to Michael J Cocks
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at least I hope, because he does seem like a very likable character once we get to the bottom of his mystery....I also bet you a million pesos that he ends up fricking the blonde cop!
Yea I can see that coming too.
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