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re: A Clockwork Orange
Posted on 5/2/09 at 1:16 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 5/2/09 at 1:16 pm to Dire Wolf
It is a movie of its time, but I think that it holds up extremely well. I see it differently now than I did as a teen. Back then we were amazed by the violence, which was shocking for the time. Lots of cheering and nervous laughter, like we were watching the Warriors or something. Now I can watch it and see how truly disturbing it is.
I don't dismiss any of Kubrick's movies. There are days when I'm not in the mood for them, but the first viewing of each has been a great event for me.
I don't dismiss any of Kubrick's movies. There are days when I'm not in the mood for them, but the first viewing of each has been a great event for me.
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Posted on 5/2/09 at 1:35 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I remember then showing this one night at the Student Union theater when I as at SLU. A lot of people got up and walked out after the first 20 minutes or so. Which are admittedly disturbing.
But, like other have said, if you can sit through it, it does have a point. Although the point may take you awhile to find.
I've not read the book, but, I'm told it is more disturbing than the movie.
But, like other have said, if you can sit through it, it does have a point. Although the point may take you awhile to find.
I've not read the book, but, I'm told it is more disturbing than the movie.
Posted on 5/2/09 at 1:45 pm to GeauxLSUSam
Sam, you probably won't like it. I hope that you do, though. It's awesome. The only failure of the film (in my opinion) is that the last chapter of the book is not in the film.
The point of the book is that each generation will see the one that follows it as worse and more violent. Even Alex grows up by the end of the book.
The film, on the other hand, ends with the splashy idea that Alex will never grow up and that he really is the little Anti-Christ that he has been painted to be.
The point of the book is that each generation will see the one that follows it as worse and more violent. Even Alex grows up by the end of the book.
The film, on the other hand, ends with the splashy idea that Alex will never grow up and that he really is the little Anti-Christ that he has been painted to be.
Posted on 5/2/09 at 1:58 pm to bomber77
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This movie is Kubrick crap in my opinion. Just some wild bull shite that you have to be stoned to watch. OVERATED
Kubrick has done one movie that is worth a shite and its Full Metal jacket. Anyone that likes Clockwork Orange is a dumb-arse to me.
Posted on 5/2/09 at 2:00 pm to Hideo Nomo
Singin' in the rain, just singin' in the rain, oh what a feeling I'm happy again...
Posted on 5/2/09 at 2:00 pm to Hideo Nomo
Posted on 5/2/09 at 2:30 pm to Bigmonkeylsu
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The point of the book is that each generation will see the one that follows it as worse and more violent. Even Alex grows up by the end of the book.
The film, on the other hand, ends with the splashy idea that Alex will never grow up and that he really is the little Anti-Christ that he has been painted to be.
i do not think the end of the book would have worked in movie form. Like many books that turn into movies things have to be changed. Its not that alex becomes the devil that he has been painted out to be again, but he again has the freedom to be what ever he wants.
Posted on 5/2/09 at 2:39 pm to GeauxLSUSam
It is a great movie. I can't think of a better film adaptation of a book. For those who quit watching after 5 minutes, the central themes concern the responsibilities and powers of the state and whether or not good or evil can really exist when there is no choice in the matter. That's what the story is really about.
Definitely read the book! Since I first read it back in the 80s, the publisher has printed the author's intended version with the missing 21st chapter, which was stupidly thought to be a sell-out by the first American publisher and thus cut from the original printings. (Though judging by how well the ending of the film worked, Kubrick was smart to ignore the 21st chapter for his film, assuming he knew about it.) Besides understanding the story better, reading the book will help with the language Burgess invented that Kubrick mostly used unchanged in the film, which is based on Russian and rhyming slang. Endlessly entertaining and satisfying to listen to.
Definitely read the book! Since I first read it back in the 80s, the publisher has printed the author's intended version with the missing 21st chapter, which was stupidly thought to be a sell-out by the first American publisher and thus cut from the original printings. (Though judging by how well the ending of the film worked, Kubrick was smart to ignore the 21st chapter for his film, assuming he knew about it.) Besides understanding the story better, reading the book will help with the language Burgess invented that Kubrick mostly used unchanged in the film, which is based on Russian and rhyming slang. Endlessly entertaining and satisfying to listen to.
Posted on 5/2/09 at 6:08 pm to Bigmonkeylsu
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The point of the book is that each generation will see the one that follows it as worse and more violent. Even Alex grows up by the end of the book.
No, it's not.
I talked to Anthony Burgess, the author of the book and he explained that the point of the book is the difference between humans and animals. The difference between basic instinct and free will.
I've posted this before but I will again for new readers.
I met Burgess at Centenary College in the early 70s. After his speech he met with a handful of students at James Dorm lobby, including me.
He explained the difference between humans and animals explored in the book:
1. Man is capable of complex language. Anyone who has read the book or seen the movie understands how crucial linguistics is.
2. Man loves violence for the sake of violence. Animals don't commit violence for fun alone.
3. Man has the intelligence to choose. Free will over basic instinct.
Burgess also told me that he wrote himself into the book as the Cleric (the priest). He was a brilliant guy, rather old even then with an upper class British accent.
The movie was excellent. It's my favorite of all time. I do not recommend it for the masses. It is universal. It has things to tell us in every generation. But it requires constant attention. In every scene there is something in the back ground that means something.
People will be studying Clockwork Orange 100 years from now.
Posted on 5/2/09 at 10:44 pm to Zach
This movie is a masterpiece, but it's not for everyone. Don't watch this one for fun, watch it because you want to use your brain.
Posted on 5/2/09 at 10:51 pm to CTexTiger
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This movie is a masterpiece, but it's not for everyone. Don't watch this one for fun, watch it because you want to use your brain.
+1
It's not a movie where it's simple exposition, rising action, climax, and resolution. It's not Gone in 60 Seconds or Rudy. It's a movie that makes you become introspective while seeing some of the most twisted scenes and characters in motion picture history.
Kubrick, Coppola, Stone, Tarrantino, DePalma, Ridley Scott, and Lynch = greatness.
This post was edited on 5/2/09 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 5/2/09 at 10:58 pm to PiscesTiger
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Lynch = greatness
Explain Eraserhead in a paragraph.
Lynch very rarely does it for me. If pressed, I would choose Cronenberg over Lynch. I think Cronenberg is at least trying to say something. Lynch just seems weird to be weird most of the time... IMO.)
Posted on 5/2/09 at 11:28 pm to CTexTiger
I really enjoyed the movie, but you need to watch it a few times, I have seen at different ages and each time I get something different out of it.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 12:36 am to 610man
I actually just watched this for the first time last weekend...and fell asleep. That's the problem w/ coming home drunk and watching a movie.
What I didn't get was the rape scene and how Bravo or whatever always has it in the top whatever scariest scenes. Yes, it's disturbing, but I found the part when they were beginning to condition Alex more disturbing.
Anywho, I definitely plan on watching the whole movie...while sober!
What I didn't get was the rape scene and how Bravo or whatever always has it in the top whatever scariest scenes. Yes, it's disturbing, but I found the part when they were beginning to condition Alex more disturbing.
Anywho, I definitely plan on watching the whole movie...while sober!
Posted on 5/3/09 at 12:51 am to BBMcGee
The rape scene is disturbing not scary.
Raping someone to Singing in the Rain is quite disturbing. The casual way they go about the rape is what makes it disturbing squared.
Raping someone to Singing in the Rain is quite disturbing. The casual way they go about the rape is what makes it disturbing squared.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 12:55 am to TigerMyth36
I finally ended up watching it tonight. Disturbing, but not as bad as I thought it would be. Good movie, I plan to watch it again. Thanks for all the input - it was interesting reading everyone's perspective before I watched it.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 1:06 am to TigerMyth36
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The rape scene is disturbing not scary.
Exactly, that's why, especially since seeing it, I don't understand why it's always in the coutdown for the scariest moments on movies or whatever. To eachi his own I guess.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 1:08 am to Zach
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No, it's not.
I talked to Anthony Burgess, the author of the book and he explained that the point of the book is the difference between humans and animals. The difference between basic instinct and free will.
I've posted this before but I will again for new readers.
I met Burgess at Centenary College in the early 70s. After his speech he met with a handful of students at James Dorm lobby, including me.
He explained the difference between humans and animals explored in the book:
1. Man is capable of complex language. Anyone who has read the book or seen the movie understands how crucial linguistics is.
2. Man loves violence for the sake of violence. Animals don't commit violence for fun alone.
3. Man has the intelligence to choose. Free will over basic instinct.
Burgess also told me that he wrote himself into the book as the Cleric (the priest). He was a brilliant guy, rather old even then with an upper class British accent.
The movie was excellent. It's my favorite of all time. I do not recommend it for the masses. It is universal. It has things to tell us in every generation. But it requires constant attention. In every scene there is something in the back ground that means something.
People will be studying Clockwork Orange 100 years from now.
This is excellent insight. I actually had to study this book and watch the movie for an advanced English class at MSU. At the time, I didn't understand why my prof wanted us to read and watch this disturbing material, but it's much clearer now. Great movie and book. Love all of Kubrick's stuff.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 11:34 am to TigerMyth36
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Raping someone to Singing in the Rain is quite disturbing. The casual way they go about the rape is what makes it disturbing squared.
The idea was to juxtapose sound track and video that didn't match. Thus, Beethoven, which is beautiful music, becomes intensely painful.
Posted on 6/4/09 at 12:05 pm to GeauxLSUSam
no, its better
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