re: Yes or No: Duncan is the better player than Kobe all time

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He's avoiding the DRTG now like the plague

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I don't believe in that witchcraft as a standalone for an argument, just like real plus/minus doesn't tell the whole story either. It's only useful in the context of the individual game.

But this is a group that believes numbers that say Harden is a premiere defender, so I can't say I'm shocked

My arm hurts gentleman, i shall kindly unhijack this thread lest I not be able to jack off for weeks!!

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If you loons are trying to turn a Duncan-Kobe thread into a "Kobe is an overrated defender, Lebron is the best!" thread....I'll go ahead and give you the dub because I'll never change the minds of fanatics that are on par with the Beyhive.

Keep fighting the good fight though! And I'll keep enjoying my Jordan & Kobe highlights, because clearly you can't appreciate Lebron if you don't shite on Kobe, as its blaspheming your holy king

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading your posts. Nobody was really shitting on Kobe, unless you think someone ranking him just outside the top 10 all time is shitting on him. And the fact that you think you are the sane, unbiased, non-fanatic whilst completely throwing shade at all these STATISTICS is blowing my damn mind. This is just ridiculous posting you've been doing today.

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OK. Have fun. But don't come in here with a non-representive of a few highlights to discuss something involving hundreds of thousands of possessions.

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K.

I won't mention the 9 1st team defensive awards that those dumb 29 pro coaches voted on 9 different times either.

Am afraid that type of evidence against your lord and savior Lebron James is tantamount to blasphemy, and surely I'll be beheaded for it with my remains fed to the wild dogs

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I won't mention the 9 1st team defensive awards that those dumb 29 pro coaches voted on 9 different times either.

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OK. I guess we can just say Obama is the 12th best president since that's what the historians rated him.

Appealing to authority, specifically their subjective evaluations, is clearly a superior to objective data.

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Am afraid that type of evidence against your lord and savior Lebron James is tantamount to blasphemy, and surely I'll be beheaded for it with my remains fed to the wild dogs

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When all else fails, create hyperbolic strawmen arguments.

interesting how you staggered your graph on "Defensive Win Shares" that shows Kobe's #s are better during his peak years at 28-32 than Lebron's....Lebron's was higher only 1 of 4 years w/ that meaningless stat.

Not to mention, with age it's harder to keep up with guards than forwards, which makes it more impressive.
Kobe came off the bench to Eddie Jones his 1st 2 years of course those would be lower.

Y'all bitched about posting highlights, but can't exactly post full games now can I?
Anyone with eyes can see the immense talent Kobe had on D when he needed to turn it on. Held A.I. to 0/10 in 2nd half of Finals game, locked up MJ....

That's why it's ridiculous cherry picking stats- you guys only use them when it suits your argument, but it actually proves mine in several of the years & vs much better competition

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interesting how you staggered your graph on "Defensive Win Shares" that shows Kobe's #s are better during his peak years at 28-32 than Lebron's....Lebron's was higher only 1 of 4 years w/ that meaningless stat.

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Lebron had 18.3 win shares in the last 5 seasons, while Kobe had 18.2 in the five seasons from 28-32. And since it's an aggregate stat, Lebron's defensive win share per 48 is 0.0638 while Kobe's is 0.0586.

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Not to mention, with age it's harder to keep up with guards than forwards,

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Conjecture.

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Y'all bitched about posting highlights, but can't exactly post full games now can I?

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And if you could, it would show more points being scored per defensive possession.

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Held A.I. to 0/10 in 2nd half of Finals game, locked up MJ....

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Awesome. Nobody is saying he's a bad defender, so we wouldn't expect him to defend poorly.

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That's why it's ridiculous cherry picking stats- you guys only use them when it suits your argument, but it actually proves mine in several of the years & vs much better competition

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Actually it doesn't, if you could do simple arithmetic.

*Edit: The win share actually round off so you can get the exact win shares using basketball reference.

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Defensive Win Shares

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You would be best ignoring that stat, altogether. It's a blowout for Lebron.

I presented the stats every way you asked - stopped at 32 for Kobe, contemporaneous with each other - and it's still Lebron > Kobe.

The only evidence you can present is based on the opinions of others. Kobe is better defensively because those guys said so. How's that for "forming your own conclusions"?

There's no way he can spin in. I presented 3 different ways - total, rookie to age 32, contemporaneous with each other - and they all have one clear answer.

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interesting how you staggered your graph on "Defensive Win Shares" that shows Kobe's #s are better during his peak years at 28-32 than Lebron's....Lebron's was higher only 1 of 4 years w/ that meaningless stat.

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Actually, from 28-32 Lebron's DWD was still higher, so you may need to concede that one.

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Y'all bitched about posting highlights, but can't exactly post full games now can I?

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I posted an article about how LeBron is better than a perfect computer model defender...i guess that means nothing.

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Held A.I. to 0/10 in 2nd half of Finals game

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that shows Kobe's #s are better during his peak years at 28-32 than Lebron's

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That's why it's ridiculous cherry picking stats

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