re: Would 2019 Joe Burrow be the first QB taken in the 2017 draft - Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes

Naw I’m a NYC expert

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If Burrow/LSU has the same season in 2017 as he did this year he goes first of that group

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This

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I still don't understand how teams missed on Watson, he was a great QB on a great team. I can forgive taking Trubisky over Mahomes because they both played on average teams in college and nobody predicted Mahomes would blow up like he has, but how did the Bears take Mitch over Watson?

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I never understood the infatuation with Mitch.

1 semi decent year. Its not like he blew the doors off. 30 TDs is good not insane.

He doesn't have the biggest arm I've ever seen (not bigger than Mahomes)

He didn't come from some kind of NFL feeder system. Larry Fedora isn't pumping out NFL QBs.

Didn't win anything. Went 8-5.

Mahomes at least had athleticism and a huge arm. His on the field game reminded me of a Bigger JFF, who wasn't going to crash and burn off the field.

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What a weird thread. The only people who can answer this are the people who made the decision to draft Trubisky.
Have they spoken officially on the main reasons they took Trubisky over the other two? Is Burrow better in those areas?
Bottom line is, teams fall in love with certain players and that's the end of it.

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I think it’s very possible Cleveland takes Burrow instead of Garrett at 1. Also the market for San Fran’s pick may be very different in this theoretical with Burrow in the mix at 2 if he doesn’t go 1.

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I mean i think this is based off of what we knew in their college careers.

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Exactly.

He has elite talent around him. Everyone is open at LSU. Everyone is not open for Cincinnati.

Okay let’s assume Burrow does have all those tools. Where were they when he was competing at Ohio State? Why didn’t he show them in 2018 when he had the same supporting cast?

You know what they call a quarterback whose production vastly increases/decreases from one year to the next with no change in supporting personnel yet has a change in offensive philosophy?

And what high football IQ?

What elite accuracy?

Durability? Based on two seasons?

Can read defenses? Sure, everyone can make reads, it’s decision making that separates guys. And deciding which wide open guy to throw isn’t hard decision making.

Make all the throws? Lol no.

I’m just going to pretend you didn’t waste time typing out those last two.

And if he is a guy who elevates everyone around him, then why did your offense score a whopping 4 more tds in 2018 than it did in 2017? His predecessor had the exact same number of td passes in 104 less pass attempts and his passing efficiency was 20 points less than his predecessor.

You all know what changed and why his numbers went up. It’s right there and y’all even say it but never make the correlation. Y’all are becoming worse than Auburn fans with Cam. Hell at least they waited until he made it to the NFL and did something, y’all are balls deep in this and he hasn’t even wrapped his college career yet.

But I tried to tell y’all. Told ya what was what with the other Louisiana team but you weren’t listening then either.

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I mean i think this is based off of what we knew in their college careers.

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No I don't think it is. No one is capable of being honest retrospectively in that way. And pretty much no one watched more than 11 games all four of those guys played in their last year of school.

I don't think people can tell much about quarterbacks translating into the NFL until they get there. You get maybe one Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck every 15 years with pedigree, size, and production. Then you get a bunch of great college quarterbacks who don't do anything in spite of talent. And you have a very rare Tom Brady or Drew Brees who turn out to be HOF quarterbacks that no one identified as a top ten pick.

Yeah I was pretty low on Mahomes out of college. He had the raw ability but I really questioned how it would translate to the NFL and thought he had a high probability of busting. That’s why I don’t work in an NFL front office. I didn’t understand Watson going where he did. I would ranked this

Burrow
Watson
Very Big Gap
Mahomes
Trubisky

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He has thrown 24 touchdowns into what PFF calls "tight windows"

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This is the difference that I think makes him great. He throws guys open.

He knows when DBs are playing trail coverage and can't turn around to find the ball and puts it on a rope.

He's fantastic at it.

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You should look up what PFF considers a tight window and post it here.

Also, they made an error in their own tweet based off their own data.

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Do you’re own work.

You’re just shite slinging at this point.

You’re throwing out a hot take that a guy complete 77.9% of his passes isn’t accurate, and only throws to open guys.

You’ve not done anything to back that up besides repeat yourself.