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re: Will Brady admit he cheated in this speech?

Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:46 pm to
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Not really. The PAts cheated though. Thats a fact.

Being sour about the cheating isnt the same as being sour about losing.

And you have proof that NE "cheated" during that SB?
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
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Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:47 pm to
It's doubtful
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27424 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:54 pm to
LINK

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The 2007 New England Patriots videotaping controversy, widely dubbed "Spygate",[1][2] refers to an incident during the National Football League's (NFL) 2007 season when the New England Patriots were disciplined by the league for videotaping New York Jets' defensive coaches' signals during a September 9, 2007 game. Videotaping opposing coaches is not illegal in the NFL but there are designated areas allowed by the league to do such taping. The Patriots were videotaping the Jets' coaches from their own sideline which is not allowed. The act was deemed by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to be in violation of league rules, causing him to say when penalizing the Patriots that this episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field. After an investigation, the NFL fined Patriots head coach Bill Belichick $500,000 (the maximum allowed by the league and the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league's 87-year history) for his role in the incident, fined the Patriots $250,000, and docked the team their original first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft which would have been the 31st pick of the draft.[3] The fine garnered significant media attention for being the "maximum amount" an individual could be fined.

As part of their probe into the allegations, the NFL required the Patriots to turn over all notes and tapes relating to the taping of opponents' defensive signals; the Patriots complied with the order and the NFL reviewed and then destroyed the materials.[4] This action was criticized on February 1, 2008 – 2 days before Super Bowl XLII — by U.S. Senator Arlen Specter, who requested to meet with Goodell. After meeting with Goodell on February 13, 2008 Specter reported that Goodell told him that Belichick had been engaged in the practice since he became head coach of the Patriots in 2000.[5] Belichick said he believed he was operating within the rules as long as the tape was not used during the same game.[6]

Nearly six months after the incident, the Boston Herald reported, citing an unnamed source, that the Patriots had also videotaped the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI in February 2002,[7] an allegation denied by Belichick[6] and later retracted by the Herald. Meanwhile, Matt Walsh, a Patriots video assistant in 2001 who was fired after the team's 2002 season, told the media the same week that he had information and materials regarding the Patriots' videotaping practices, but demanded an indemnity agreement before speaking with the NFL.[8]

The NFL reached a deal with Walsh on April 23, 2008 and arranged a meeting between Goodell and Walsh.[9] Prior to the meeting, Walsh sent eight videotapes, containing opponents' coaches' signals from the 2000 through 2002 seasons, in accordance with the agreement.[10] Goodell and Walsh met on May 13, 2008, at which time Walsh told Goodell he and other Patriots employees were present at the Rams' walkthrough to set up video equipment for the game but that there was no tape of the walkthrough made; as a result, Goodell told the media no additional penalties would be brought against the Patriots.[11] Less than 24 hours later, the Herald issued an apology for the article about the alleged walkthrough tape.[12]


lol at the video assistants were at the Rams walk through and set up equipment but "didnt record".

The Pats are cheaters. Its organizational and has been under Belechicks tenure there.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110841 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:57 pm to
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regardless, the precedent has been set that ignorance is not excuse. so by default, the organization is to blame.
So agreed with the Saint suspension? Seems odd
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110841 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:58 pm to
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I'm just seeing entirely too much faux rage over this
It is 100% faux outrage, especially when you consider cheating done actually be executives in organizations for TWO separate teams at the same time, and no one cares
Posted by LaBornNRaised
Loomis blows
Member since Feb 2011
11004 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:00 pm to
Haha. Brady and the Pats cheated and you are in denial. Sweet melt broseph.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:03 pm to
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lol at the video assistants were at the Rams walk through and set up equipment but "didnt record".

The Pats are cheaters. Its organizational and has been under Belechicks tenure there.

So no proof that they were cheating during SB 36 then?
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27424 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:03 pm to
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It is 100% faux outrage
ITs not outrage, its the chickens coming home to roost again and everyone pointing and laughing at the Pats and their cheating.
Posted by LL012697
Member since May 2013
3963 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:04 pm to
Who cares....the Patriots were an irrelevant franchise before Brady and Belichik....and they will return once again in a couple years once they are gone
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27424 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:05 pm to
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So no proof that they were cheating during SB 36 then?




The video assistants were at the Rams walkthrouh with equipment set up and didint record...

Denial.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:05 pm to
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It is 100% faux outrage, especially when you consider cheating done actually be executives in organizations for TWO separate teams at the same time, and no one cares

It's more jealously than faux outrage.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:06 pm to
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The video assistants were at the Rams walkthrouh with equipment set up and didint record...

Denial.

So no proof then.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110841 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:06 pm to
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ITs not outrage, its the chickens coming home to roost again and everyone pointing and laughing at the Pats and their cheating.
And yet it's all meaningless and rings hollow since no one cares about ATL or CLE, and none of you care that Jerry Rice cheated, and his legacy is just fine.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110841 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:06 pm to
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It's more jealously than faux outrage.
Touche
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27424 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:11 pm to

pats fans know how to circle the wagons during allegations of cheating. Lord know they have had plenty pf practice through the years.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:16 pm to
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Touche

People only care because it's the franchise that's been the most successful for 15 years now.
Posted by belowmebama
Member since Jul 2008
7304 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:26 pm to
As a Saints fan who doesn't particularly care for the Pats I think this whole thing is bullshite. I don't care if they deflated them to where they were unable to be thrown the Pats still game planned and outplayed opponents.

As a Saints fan I stand by the thought that our organization should not have been punished. To lay claim to that you have to not be a pussy and think that all other organizations should be punished when a rule is broken with little evidence. Pats shouldn't be punished and neither should the Saints. The League as a whole is so watered down its ridiculous.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27424 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:27 pm to
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To lay claim to that you have to not be a pussy and think that all other organizations should be punished when a rule is broken with little evidence.


There was plenty evidence in both the Saints and Pats cases.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 8:29 pm
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:34 pm to
i wonder how tom feels knowing that he will forever be remembered as a cheater. He wont even get in hall of fame now. he will be an outcast like bonds, sosa, mcgwire, pete rose. This is hillarious
Posted by belowmebama
Member since Jul 2008
7304 posts
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:37 pm to
Please. A 5,000 page document with a bunch of vague language. The Saints got punished because the players union had their foot on the throats of the NFL with the concussion stuff. Now the penalties are completely media driven. Had any of the Pats or Saints issues happened in 1970's life would resume as normal. You have to agree that the product the current NFL puts out is so watered down and ESPN and the likes are now more TMZ than solid reporting.
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