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re: Why is Kawhi Leonard getting a pass?
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:18 am to RTR America
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:18 am to RTR America
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Jesus tapdancing christ you are a moron
Are they not eliminated?
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Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:20 am to buckeye_vol
Did Pacquiao not fight with a torn rotator cuff?
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:27 am to dj30
quote:I don't know; he's a weird and dishonest guy so who knows.
Did Pacquiao not fight with a torn rotator cuff?
Did you really flex biceps then steal Arian Foster's girl?
Your trolling is obvious.
This post was edited on 5/14/16 at 1:28 am
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:33 am to buckeye_vol
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Your trolling is obvious.
Have no reason to troll.
Have no reason to post when I agree with a post. I chime in when I dont agree with something.
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Did you really flex biceps then steal Arian Foster's girl?
It was a joke dude...
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don't know; he's a weird and dishonest guy so who knows.
So he had a fake surgery after the fight?
So the request he made for the pain medication before the fight that was denied was fake?
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:45 am to dj30
quote:After is the keyword that doesn't confirm the hypothesis.
So he had a fake surgery after the fight?
quote:I don't know, but since you think Mayweather paid off the refs, there is no objective place to begin.
So the request he made for the pain medication before the fight that was denied was fake?
Regardless, not putting Leonard in the top 10 is about as illogical as one can get.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:46 am to dj30
Even a lot of honest Spurs fans I know will tell you Kawhi is still a system player to an extent.
They wouldn't hesitate to say that if you swapped PG or Durant for Kawhi that the Spurs would be better. Kawhi definitely benefits from being brought up in arguably the best organization in the league over the last two decades and the best coach in the league currently all using him optimally and not pushing him beyond his limits. Not to say Kawhi isnt a good player in his own right, but I doubt he is the Kawhi we know if he was drafted by probably 20-25 other teams and not the Spurs.
He's still great offensively though. Even if part of the reason why is the system and coaching utilization. I don't think he is ready to take over a game in iso after iso situation and get you 50 points but that isnt Pop's style anyway. If Kawhi became that fine, he would ride the hot hand like he did LMA in games 1 and 2 of the Thunder series but Kawhi buys in and plays for Pop's system almost perfectly. Which over the long run may be better then what PG does stuck on the revolving door of coaches Bird keeps saddling him with.
The reason the Spurs lost isnt because of Kawhi. Its because father time seemed to finally catch up completely to the old guard of the Spurs and the new guard hasn't been established enough to pick up the slack. Give them an offseason where they likely add Conley(maybe even a long shot at Horford) and get back to me next season when the new guard is lighting up the playoffs.
They wouldn't hesitate to say that if you swapped PG or Durant for Kawhi that the Spurs would be better. Kawhi definitely benefits from being brought up in arguably the best organization in the league over the last two decades and the best coach in the league currently all using him optimally and not pushing him beyond his limits. Not to say Kawhi isnt a good player in his own right, but I doubt he is the Kawhi we know if he was drafted by probably 20-25 other teams and not the Spurs.
He's still great offensively though. Even if part of the reason why is the system and coaching utilization. I don't think he is ready to take over a game in iso after iso situation and get you 50 points but that isnt Pop's style anyway. If Kawhi became that fine, he would ride the hot hand like he did LMA in games 1 and 2 of the Thunder series but Kawhi buys in and plays for Pop's system almost perfectly. Which over the long run may be better then what PG does stuck on the revolving door of coaches Bird keeps saddling him with.
The reason the Spurs lost isnt because of Kawhi. Its because father time seemed to finally catch up completely to the old guard of the Spurs and the new guard hasn't been established enough to pick up the slack. Give them an offseason where they likely add Conley(maybe even a long shot at Horford) and get back to me next season when the new guard is lighting up the playoffs.
This post was edited on 5/14/16 at 1:48 am
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:50 am to buckeye_vol
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Regardless, not putting Leonard in the top 10 is about as illogical as one can get.
Plenty of people think this.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:52 am to dj30
quote:Plenty of people think that lizard people run the world, the moon landing was fake, and Sandy Hook was fake.
Plenty of people think this.
I doubt any basketball expert would think this.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:55 am to buckeye_vol
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doubt any basketball expert would think this.
I already said hes not top 10.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 1:59 am to NOLA Bronco
quote:Wait? Is this that same PG who couldn't beat the Raptors? That same Raptors team that you posted this about a few minutes ago:
They wouldn't hesitate to say that if you swapped PG or Durant for Kawhi that the Spurs would be better
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struggling to keep up with a Raptors squad that probably could of made the Rockets feel hope again in a 7 game series
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:00 am to dj30
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I already said hes not top 10.
Touche
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:05 am to NOLA Bronco
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Give them an offseason where they likely add Conley
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:27 am to buckeye_vol
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Wait? Is this that same PG who couldn't beat the Raptors? That same Raptors team that you posted this about a few minutes ago:
Yes, the same one. And I tend to agree with them. And if you didn't manage to read the whole thing, as you tend to like to cherry pick I have began to learn, I really like Kawhi and would put him in my top 10.
PG is on a scrub team with one other player that may push for top 15 at his position. Outside of that, his team is trash.
Put PG on a team like the Spurs, with Pop crafting a system around him like Kawhi and I think PG would be a legit MVP candidate year in and year out. I think Kawhi is on the precipice of that, but not quite there yet.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:30 am to NOLA Bronco
quote:I mean PG would do well they but he had never been an extremely efficient player, even when they were the #1 seed.
Put PG on a team like the Spurs, with Pop crafting a system around him like Kawhi and I think PG would be a legit MVP candidate year in and year out. I think Kawhi is on the precipice of that, but not quite there yet.
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:31 am to RTR America
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Spurs or Grizzlies. Its not that hard a choice if the rumors of Conley being the Spurs major target are true and Conley has already said he will explore FA.
This post was edited on 5/14/16 at 2:41 am
Posted on 5/14/16 at 2:40 am to buckeye_vol
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I mean PG would do well they but he had never been an extremely efficient player, even when they were the #1 seed.
Has he ever had a situation where he could be utilized as an efficient cog in the machine like Kawhi is?
Lets be honest a bit. Pop has Kawhi taking 4 3PA a game. Mostly on good to excellent looks. Same goes for almost all of his two point shots. It's what Pop does. Paul George is the beginning and the end of the offense in Indiana. So he is the entire focus of defenses.
He has never had anything close to the supporting cast and stability Kawhi has had. Drop Kawhi into Indiana from his rookie season and do you really think he becomes Spurs Kawhi? More efficient then what PG has done? I personally don't given what I have seen from both.
In a 1 on 1 game I would take PG. If I had to choose between Indiana PG or SA KL in a game, I would take Kawhi. If that makes sense.
This post was edited on 5/14/16 at 2:55 am
Posted on 5/14/16 at 3:00 am to NOLA Bronco
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Spurs or Grizzlies. Its not that hard a choice if the rumors of Conley being the Spurs major target are true and Conley has already said he will explore FA.
Grizzlies have never lost a FA they want to bring back
He spent a year recruiting his best friend to stay in Memphis
Has spoken about playing out his career in Memphis
Memphis can give him more years and more money than anyone else
No one who covers the team thinks he will even really consider leaving
Posted on 5/14/16 at 3:07 am to RTR America
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Grizzlies have never lost a FA they want to bring back
He spent a year recruiting his best friend to stay in Memphis
Has spoken about playing out his career in Memphis
Memphis can give him more years and more money than anyone else
No one who covers the team thinks he will even really consider leaving
Maybe so, I have no dog in this fight. But you seem a bit naive to think the Grizzlies have some sort of magical power to keep FA's around especially after firing their coach and the talk of Wallace interviewing with the Kings. If money was all that mattered he wouldn't talk about exploring FA as openly as he has.
Seems like all is not right around there and to think Conley may not consider seeking greener pastures seems a bit silly.
This post was edited on 5/14/16 at 3:08 am
Posted on 5/14/16 at 5:30 am to LL012697
1. Those aren't horrible stats.
2. Even when he does plait bad he play elite defense
2. Even when he does plait bad he play elite defense
Posted on 5/14/16 at 7:38 am to RTR America
Conley ain't going anywhere.
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