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re: Why doesn't the Ivy League participate in the FCS playoffs?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 12:55 pm to Korin
Posted on 11/22/14 at 12:55 pm to Korin
I think elitism is the overall answer.
I get to go to Dartmouth a couple of times of year for work and it's a different world when you talk to people and listen to conversations at the local restaurants and bars...
My biggest laugh is when you stay at the Hanover Inn (their equivalent of Lod Cook at LSU, except nicer...) there is a button on the phone to order Dartmouth football tickets (their stadium is smaller than the new Tulane Stadium)
I get to go to Dartmouth a couple of times of year for work and it's a different world when you talk to people and listen to conversations at the local restaurants and bars...
My biggest laugh is when you stay at the Hanover Inn (their equivalent of Lod Cook at LSU, except nicer...) there is a button on the phone to order Dartmouth football tickets (their stadium is smaller than the new Tulane Stadium)
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Posted on 11/22/14 at 12:59 pm to Dr RC
Do other schools not have finals around this time?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 1:00 pm to Zamoro10
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Bull...it's trying to say you are above that - ergo, elitism.
lol no
The entire point of going to a university is to further your education. Sports are an extra curricular at Ivy League schools just like many others around the nation. You don't go to an Ivy if you are serious about playing sports and they all know that going in. Just b/c they have a different educational mission doesn't mean it's elitist.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 1:10 pm to Dr RC
Their winner does play in the basketball tournament though.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 1:12 pm to Korin
I guess it doesn't screw up their exam schedules then. I just don't see why schools that hang their hats on academics saying no to postseason play in non scholarship football is an elitist stance to some of the people here.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 2:43 pm to Dr RC
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I guess it doesn't screw up their exam schedules then. I just don't see why schools that hang their hats on academics saying no to postseason play in non scholarship football is an elitist stance to some of the people here.
There are posters on the Rant who literally could not care less about LSU's academic mission, so this attitude doesn't surprise me.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 3:45 pm to Jim Rockford
Haven't seen anyone mention that the Ivy doesn't do any athletic scholarships for any sport, which is the only conference like that too.
Only thing I can guess at is tradition and they don't like to change.
It's funny to me that basketball and other sports don't have a problem with the post sesson and playoffs though.
Only thing I can guess at is tradition and they don't like to change.
It's funny to me that basketball and other sports don't have a problem with the post sesson and playoffs though.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 3:58 pm to GeauxTigersLee
Ivy League didn't want to be big-time college football. End of story.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 4:27 pm to vl100butch
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I think elitism is the overall answer.
This, plus they would get their arse kicked in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 4:47 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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Haven't seen anyone mention that the Ivy doesn't do any athletic scholarships for any sport, which is the only conference like that too.
They don't do athletic schollies, but if they want you for athletics, the amount you pay out of pocket will be negligible.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 4:50 pm to Jim Rockford
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They don't do athletic schollies, but if they want you for athletics, the amount you pay out of pocket will be negligible.
This is not true at all.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 4:52 pm to LSUtoOmaha
Right. If they want you are you are rich, you will pay. Poor, you'll get a ton of aid. To
Posted on 11/22/14 at 4:54 pm to LSUtoOmaha
They participate in all other NCAA divisions playoffs as others have noted. They just choose to not do so in football. Before 1981 they were technically in the same division as all SEC and big ten schools and chose to not participate in bowl games but the formation of Division 1-AA changed things and they still decided to not participate in post-season activity for football. They could if they wanted to.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 4:59 pm to usc6158
Pussies
Posted on 11/22/14 at 5:09 pm to LSUtoOmaha
LINK
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The Ivy League does not award athletic scholarships, but led by endowment-rich members like Harvard, Yale and Princeton, the conference has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in additional need-based aid — with most of the universities all but eliminating student loans and essentially doubling the size of grants meant for middle-income families.
The financial-aid enhancements have had a profound effect on the quality of athletic recruits. Rosters are now fortified with top athletes who would have turned down the Ivy League in the past because they would have been asked to pay $20,000 to $30,000 per year more than at other colleges.
At most Ivy League institutions, families earning less than about $65,000 annually are now asked to make no contribution to their children’s education.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 5:28 pm to Zamoro10
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Bull...it's trying to say you are above that - ergo, elitism.
so being the best academic institutions in the land is elitism? man, they value sports yet place them in what THEY consider the proper prospective. it is a free country. and now you call them elitist. I hope you don't break their heart.
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There has always been an academic snobbery to post-season...like it's undignified for gentlemen.
here's guessing you never graduated from college. college football is currently the minor leagues for the nfl. most top schools allow players that basically can't read and write. so we have some schools that actually field amateur sports teams and you call them snobs. i'm sure as their graduates are running corporations and making huge bucks while you call them names is going to make them change their ways.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 5:28 pm to Zamoro10
quote:You get that regardless of if you play sports or not.
At most Ivy League institutions, families earning less than about $65,000 annually are now asked to make no contribution to their children’s education.
Also, the athletic departments can't force through students who aren't qualified unlike other places.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:43 pm to GeauxTigersLee
Right. Plenty of Ivy athletes come from upper middle class, or wealthy families who do not qualify for FASFA and pay 40,000 a year. I know several of them.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:49 pm to baybeefeetz
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Ivy League didn't want to be big-time college football. End of story.
I mean when your school's endowment makes Athletic Revenue at an SEC school look like the piddliest of shits, and when you students/fans honestly couldn't give much of a frick less about playing anyone other than the other Ivys, why waste the time?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:02 pm to usc6158
The mission of a university is to educate their students not provide entertainment to alumni or worse people who have never attended the school.
Ivy league does it right.
Ivy league does it right.
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