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re: Why do B-ball Coaches seem brighter than Fball Coaches?

Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:42 am to
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It seems to me his game plan doesn't change much.


Yeah, that's not correct at all. They change from game to game, and massively change from season to season. Belichick is a master of finding a players strengths/weaknesses and integrating those abilities into a functional team. The history of people leaving the Pats and being massive successes during the Belichick area isn't exactly glorious.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:49 am to
As somebody that coached both as my former profession, basketball requires more quick thinking. Sometimes in football when calling a play you have 2 or 3 guys talking about what to call with 1 or 2 usually in the booth so they have a better vantage point of the field. Basketball you gotta call your stuff as you go and battle crowd noise to get the play called. A head basketball coach has much more control of a game than a head football coach does.
Posted by dlc83
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
1829 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:19 am to
There is no other sport where coaching matters more to the outcome of a game the college basketball.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:04 pm to
not only that, point guard is the hardest position to play in any sport. a good point guard has to understand tempo, has to understand every player on his teams strengths and weaknesses, where you can give a teammate the ball and where you can't, it's the point guards job, at least it was mine, to diagnose the defense that other team is in and call the correct play or set and there is no fricking pre snap in basketball you do that shite on the fly, you have to be the best ball handler on the floor and you have to be athletic enough to create for not only you but for your teammates when need be. there is a reason 15 of the current 30 head coaches in the NBA are former point guards.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:08 pm to
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not only that, point guard is the hardest position to play in any sport. a good point guard has to understand tempo, has to understand every player on his teams strengths and weaknesses, where you can give a teammate the ball and where you can't, it's the point guards job, at least it was mine, to diagnose the defense that other team is in and call the correct play or set and there is no fricking pre snap in basketball you do that shite on the fly, you have to be the best ball handler on the floor and you have to be athletic enough to create for not only you but for your teammates when need be. there is a reason 15 of the current 30 head coaches in the NBA are former point guards.


Agree with all of this. PG's have not only have to get the ball into a position to get in the offense but they have to diagnose what D the other team is in to make sure they call the correct play. When I coached I tried to show my PG enough film that they could quickly figure it out without we having to get that info to them mid play. My better teams had good, smart PGs that I could count on to get us into the right sets. My weaker teams had below average PG play and I constantly had to yell what the opposing team was in on D and yell what play I wanted.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:20 pm to
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Basketball head coaches have to do more actual coaching


not when they have superior talent...
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71409 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:47 pm to
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not only that, point guard is the hardest position to play in any sport.


I'll take QB for 500 Alex.
Posted by MottLaneKid
Gonzales
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:56 pm to
You do not have to study nuclear physics or be a Chess Master to become a basketball coach.

Let's not confuse Roy Williams or Rick Pitino with Stephen Hawking or Neil Tyson Degrasse .
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 5:57 pm
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30844 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:50 pm to
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no 40 seconds between plays to decide what to do next.


It don't take 40 seconds to say, get the ball to Lebron or Westbrook or Shaq or Jordan or (insert great player here) which is what pretty much all the great basketball coaches have had.
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
13966 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:39 pm to
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Agree with all of this. PG's have not only have to get the ball into a position to get in the offense but they have to diagnose what D the other team is in to make sure they call the correct play. When I coached I tried to show my PG enough film that they could quickly figure it out without we having to get that info to them mid play. My better teams had good, smart PGs that I could count on to get us into the right sets. My weaker teams had below average PG play and I constantly had to yell what the opposing team was in on D and yell what play I wanted.


You sound like you're talking about a QB. You don't have 40 seconds to decide, you have 40 seconds to get a personalle change in, call 2 plays, motion to show the D, and the qb to check it to the right play. You call a play with multiple options ready based on the outcome.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4416 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:29 am to
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You sound like you're talking about a QB. You don't have 40 seconds to decide, you have 40 seconds to get a personalle change in, call 2 plays, motion to show the D, and the qb to check it to the right play. You call a play with multiple options ready based on the outcome.


I'm aware of all of this as I coached football too. The difference is the QB gets to do all of this with zero pressure. After the snap the pressure is on. A PG's only break is timeouts and between quarters.
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