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re: Why did LBJ change the gameplan?

Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:11 am to
Posted by MSUbulldogs03
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:11 am to
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2015= Lebron has 42 points on 50% and it still isnt enough because his team is nowhere close to Golden State
44*

At no time in certainly Kobe's career and probably Jordan's could either of those guys scored 44 points and their team not pick up some slack to put the game out of reach before 30 seconds left to go in the game.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:12 am to
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At no time in certainly Kobe's career and probably Jordan's could either of those guys scored 44 points and their team not pick up some slack to put the game out of reach before 30 seconds left to go in the game.
Jordan had 63 points and lost in a deciding game to the Celtics. Which proves no matter how good a superstar plays, it is still a team sport
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110778 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:14 am to
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Jordan had 63 points and lost in a deciding game to the Celtics
And that was around the time people say MJ would never win and teams couldn't win titles with a guy who shoots that much.

We didn't learn our lesson.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:16 am to
Are you asking me if Phil Jackson (the GOAT) is a better coach than any Lebron have had? Duh.

Multiple times Lebron has had his pick of the litter. He could literally go to any team in the NBA and they would make room. He could choose his coach and teammates.

Forgive me for not having sympathy or blaming the talent/coach around him with those options.

That's like choosing to go to McDonald's instead of a steakhouse and saying "well it doesn't matter if it's McDonald's, they should have the same quality food as the steakhouse!"
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40785 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:16 am to
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During these playoffs, he's looked to get everyone involved and tonight he totally scrapped it all. It seemed to me that he wanted to prove he could beat GS by himself and it didnt work. The better team won TONIGHT. This is gonna be a good series.


Honestly I think he's got alot like Kobe in these last 2 rounds. I think he realizes that the rest of his team is garbage and currently playing like garbage, so he's got to try and do it all by himself. If he doesn't, then he feels the wrath of fans, critics etc... I honestly think when Lebron's teams lose and he gets all the blame, he takes it personal and it bothers him. So for him, he's got to do everything possible that he can do, to drop 40+ and run iso the whole game.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110778 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:18 am to
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Are you asking me if Phil Jackson (the GOAT) is a better coach than any Lebron have had? Duh
So you agree with it then call it an excuse.

Your agenda is rather obvious, fwiw.

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Multiple times Lebron has had his pick of the litter. He could literally go to any team in the NBA and they would make room. He could choose his coach and teammates.
He did that, won 2 titles, and the haters blast him for it.

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That's like choosing to go to McDonald's instead of a steakhouse and saying "well it doesn't matter if it's McDonald's, they should have the same quality food as the steakhouse!"
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:29 am to
Taking an argument out of context makes your agenda rather obvious fwiw.

Do you really think LeBron needs the greatest coach ever to win championships? No...your complaint is that the coaches aren't good enough. He's had several chances to go play under a GOAT coach, and chose not to.

I've never "blasted" him for winning two championships. Quit bringing things into an argument with me that I've never said.

I'm sorry you can't understand a very simple analogy, but I'll break it down for you:

Lebron can, and has had the opportunity to go to any team in the NBA, therefore playing with whatever players and whoever coaching he wants. Do you agree with that?

He CHOSE to go to Miami and back to Cleveland knowing what coach and what players were there. Good for him winning the championships in Miami, but as soon as the players didn't play up to a level that was acceptable for Lebron fans, it was "he has no help, he's CARRYING the team!"
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 9:31 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110778 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:36 am to
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your complaint is that the coaches aren't good enough
It's not my complaint, actually. I'm just pointing out the excuses you're claiming, you actually agree with as well, you admitted that much yourself.

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Do you really think LeBron needs the greatest coach ever to win championships? No
No, he's won 2 already without the greatest coach ever.

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I'm sorry you can't understand a very simple analogy, but I'll break it down for you
That's not what you were saying earlier that I quoted, you were talking about excuses, which you then agreed were actually explanations, that you agreed with, that's an important distinction, not semantics or context, fwiw.

This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 9:37 am
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
19673 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:50 am to
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Honestly I think he's got alot like Kobe in these last 2 rounds. I think he realizes that the rest of his team is garbage and currently playing like garbage, so he's got to try and do it all by himself. If he doesn't, then he feels the wrath of fans, critics etc... I honestly think when Lebron's teams lose and he gets all the blame, he takes it personal and it bothers him. So for him, he's got to do everything possible that he can do, to drop 40+ and run iso the whole game.

His team mates played lights out in the Hawks series.

In fact, Irving & Mozgov played exceptional last night. Now everyone else last night I agree, played like doo doo. TT was a rebounding machine but stunk it up offensively.

They will need more from Shumpert and Smith
Posted by Noplacelikehome
Member since Oct 2010
2154 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 11:26 am to
If Kyrie is out then the Cavs are in big trouble. They already only played just 8 guys last night with only one bench player scoring. GS is just so deep compared to them with 5 bench guys (6 if you count Lee if/when he comes to play) they feel comfortable with. If

LeBron can somehow out winning this series then he deserves to be called the GOAT.
Posted by tigerinthawoods
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Jul 2011
166 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 11:33 am to
Yeah it definitely looks bleak for the Cavs right now. With Kyrie seemingly out the next game or possibly even the series, I feel like it's a psychological thing now. The Warriors are like the shark in the water that smells blood and it's gotta be mentally crushing for the Lebron knowing your main go to guy most likely won't be around anymore. Like someone said, if the Cavs pull out this series somehow, Lebron will be deserving of the GOAT recognition. Just my opinion.


Basically, the way I see it is, the Warriors staved off arguably the Cavs best efforts in game 1 by taking them to OT and shutting them out. That just has to be the biggest confidence booster if I'm on the Warriors.
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 11:38 am
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