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re: Why are the Astros so awful?
Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:43 am to Klark Kent
Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:43 am to Klark Kent
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Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:47 am to Prominentwon
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Here's a spot on article. Couldn't have been written any better.
LINK
The article/plight of the Stros reminds me of this scene.
Andy crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of shite smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of 277 Altuves.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:10 am to Draconian Sanctions
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They are gaming the system at baseball and the fanbase's expense and have done such a good job of it that they have actually managed to convince the few Astros fans that still exist that it is somehow a good thing that they are fielding one of the worst teams of all time
i am no astros fan, and i'm certainly not a baseball fan, but what the organization is doing is smart
should they spend $60M this year to suck slightly less? what is the point of that? that is not logical
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
The owner is completely burning the place to the ground with the hope that some fertile seedlings will rise from the ashes.
The question remains whether Crane is an owner who will spend some money to compete in a year or two or whether he makes the Astros into what teams like Kansas City and Pittsburgh have been for some time now...feeder teams that develop then sell off talent.
It would not surprise me if Crane turns out to be a cheap bastard and/or Loria type.
The question remains whether Crane is an owner who will spend some money to compete in a year or two or whether he makes the Astros into what teams like Kansas City and Pittsburgh have been for some time now...feeder teams that develop then sell off talent.
It would not surprise me if Crane turns out to be a cheap bastard and/or Loria type.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:51 am to GABlueDog
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It would not surprise me if Crane turns out to be a cheap bastard and/or Loria type.
He went through too much to become an owner for me to think this. They've done exactly what they've said they were going to do so far. They've said they will spend money when the farm system catches up. I'll believe that until they do otherwise
Posted on 5/15/13 at 9:59 am to Steamy Ray
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They've said they will spend money when the farm system catches up
Alot of people may have missed this. I can understand it because people don't follow the Astros as much as others and can only base their judgments off the cover of the book.
Luhnow is one of the best scout/personnel men in baseball. For the past year or so, he was given absolute shite to work with thanks to Crane. He's made ALOT of moves. Some may benefit, some may not.
But After working with an organization like the Cardinals, I don't think it would be in his work ethic to take a job just to tank. The guy kills it in the scouting department. It shows in St. Louis.
Guy is doing top notch work as far as building the farm system. They are up 16-17 spots in just two years as far as that goes.
The minor league affiliates are all in 1st and 2nd place and the AA pitching right now is beastly.
It's all just a matter of time, IMO. I can see how it looks despicable at the moment, but this was the only option the Astros had. Wasting money on middle of the road FAs just to appease fans will get you absolutely nowhere.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:38 am to Prominentwon
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Alot of people may have missed this. I can understand it because people don't follow the Astros as much as others and can only base their judgments off the cover of the book.
That lack of information sure doesn't stop them from having a strong opinion on the matter. But I agree with you. They're doing all they can with the mess they've inherited. There is a plan and thus far, they've stuck to it. As long as they do that, I'm on board and waiting patiently for the payoff
Posted on 5/15/13 at 11:39 am to lsu31always
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Didn't draft for years. Robbed Peter to pay Paul
they drafted every year. a coupla years they had trouble signing some guys due to low bonus' they offered. the known problems with the astros go way, way deeper than draft mistakes. and there very well may be additional problems with their new ownership group. they have managed to alienate a very large percentage of their fans and ex-players and the local media. somehow they convinced many corporate ticket holders to hang with 'em but many, many of the regular fans are gone or in the process of leaving. it would take several pages to summarize their problems but the best way to describe it is to visualize a well run franchise and understand the astros are the anti of that.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 11:43 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I don't care what kind of bullshite they've sold you, the owners are pocketing the revenue sharing money at a rate never before seen while claiming they are just "rebuilding", plain and simple. Maybe that will change in the future, maybe it won't. But don't give me this 10 year plan nonsense when you have no idea how many (if any) of these draftees will pan out. They are gaming the system at baseball and the fanbase's expense and have done such a good job of it that they have actually managed to convince the few Astros fans that still exist that it is somehow a good thing that they are fielding one of the worst teams of all time. It's impressive, really.
this is the gospel no matter a handful of naive sunshine pumpers think. also, DON'T FORGET THE EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS they pocketed to move to the AL. bud selig moved HIS team to the NL and then pushed for (NOT required as these naive folks think) and coerced the astros to replace them in the AL. frick 'em.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:26 pm to Fat Bastard
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LASTROS
DisAstros
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:28 pm to Sparty1
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It doesn’t take much digging to figure out why this team is so terrible. The Astros’ opening day payroll for the entire roster was smaller than some individual players’ salaries in the league. There are five Astros who are signed to multi-million dollar deals for this season, and those five make a shade under $10 million combined.
LINK
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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should they spend $60M this year to suck slightly less? what is the point of that? that is not logical
You have to factor in stuff like attendance and merch sales.
Not only are they not spending, but they can't be making much money .
If they team was somewhat competitive, that may be different
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:34 pm to Prominentwon
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Here's a spot on article. Couldn't have been written any better.
Damn. That's interesting. A much more complicated "Suck for Luck" scenario it seems.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:34 pm to Lester Earl
IMO if the new owners don't have at least a 5 year plan to be competitive in the new division they should go ahead and sell the team to somebody who gives a frick.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:36 pm to LSU GrandDad
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this is the gospel no matter a handful of naive sunshine pumpers think. also, DON'T FORGET THE EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS they pocketed to move to the AL. bud selig moved HIS team to the NL and then pushed for (NOT required as these naive folks think) and coerced the astros to replace them in the AL. frick 'em.
I thought they shaved $80M off the purchase price. I guess you could consider "pocketing" $80M, but that makes it seem like the MLB paid the Astros to move leagues. In any case, it needed to be done. The NL Central was too big and the AL West was too small.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:40 pm to Lester Earl
The Astros are getting paid $1.6 billion over 20 years by Comcast.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:49 pm to mattz1122
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The Astros are getting paid $1.6 billion over 20 years by Comcast.
so?
im not saying they are losing money. But they are leaving some on the table that could be made.
there isnt a guy on the team that is gonna draw fans, even if they are losing.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
It means they are making money. Most revenue comes from TV deals; not attendance or merchandise.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 1:02 pm to mattz1122
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Most revenue comes from TV deals; not attendance or merchandise.
well they get the most money from TV, but you cant diminish the other 2 because of that. There is money not being made. Period.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 1:07 pm to Lester Earl
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There is money not being made. Period.
agreed, but the question is what kind out output:investment they can expect
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