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re: Who was the better QB: Dan Marino or John Elway?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:19 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:19 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
They are even. Marino with the quick release, Elway with the bazooka for an arm and scrambling ability. They were both money at the end of the game unlike Aikman. Elway and Marino played much of their careers with weak defenses and no running game so they were in similar situation. Elway was more capable of taking over a game by himself though but I still rate them even.
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:24 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
If I own random NFL team and I can choose either at the age of 22, I'm drafting Elway.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:27 am to theunknownknight
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You put Marino, Montana, Young, or Moon on those teams and Denver wins the SB hands down every one of those years.
I disagree with this. Montana was great but look at the team he had around him. I don't think Marino does it either. Young had a cast of all-stars aroung him in his SB year. MOON?????? AAHHHH NO.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:37 am to Party At LSU
Career Season Averages for 16 games:
Elway -
Yards: 3525
Passing %: 56.9
TD: 20.5
INT: 15.5
Rating: 79.9
Marino -
Yards: 4057
Passing %: 59.4
TD: 27.8
INT: 16.7
Rating: 86.4
Marino had
-more game winning drives
-more fourth quarter comebacks
-a higher TD%
-a higher yards/attempt
-sacked at a MUCH lower rate
-much higher net yards per attempt
-much higher yards per game
-a lower interception percentage
The only two stat where Elway has claim is Yards per completion and that says more about the receivers. He has Marino edged out 12.5 > 12.4.
13 out of 14 QB stats belong to Marino.
WINNER: Marino.
Elway -
Yards: 3525
Passing %: 56.9
TD: 20.5
INT: 15.5
Rating: 79.9
Marino -
Yards: 4057
Passing %: 59.4
TD: 27.8
INT: 16.7
Rating: 86.4
Marino had
-more game winning drives
-more fourth quarter comebacks
-a higher TD%
-a higher yards/attempt
-sacked at a MUCH lower rate
-much higher net yards per attempt
-much higher yards per game
-a lower interception percentage
The only two stat where Elway has claim is Yards per completion and that says more about the receivers. He has Marino edged out 12.5 > 12.4.
13 out of 14 QB stats belong to Marino.
WINNER: Marino.
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:42 am to Paul Allen
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Elway got 2 super bowl rings
Yeah, if only Terrell Davis had been a Dolphin...
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:43 am to dukke v
No kidding. You could give those denver teams ANY qb and it would not have made a difference.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:44 am to OBUDan
JOhnson tried to draft him rb's. Avery, J. Johnson, and Cecil were no slouches in college. Just didn't pan out. Will never understand why Shula didn't get him a good rb.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:45 am to OBUDan
quote:
Yeah, if only Terrell Davis had been a Dolphin...
No kidding:
1997: 1750 yards 15 TDs
1998: 2008 yards 21 TDs
Give Marino that.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:54 am to theunknownknight
You can throw those carreer #'s out Marino always had better coaching and talent around him than Elway[pre Davis]
But in your world how come Marino only got 1 Miami team to a SB?
But in your world how come Marino only got 1 Miami team to a SB?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:57 am to dukke v
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But in your world how come Marino only got 1 Miami team to a SB?
Because in my honest opinion, and this drove me crazy growing up a fan of Dan Marino and always wanting him to win a Super Bowl, if you took him off some of those 90's Dolphins teams you'd be looking at the current situation with the Colts.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:00 am to dukke v
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You can throw those carreer #'s out Marino always had better coaching and talent around him than Elway[pre Davis]
So are you invalidating Elway's two Super Bowls when comparing him to Marino? Because Davis was more than just a talent in those two seasons. He put up, probably, the greatest consecutive rushing seasons in history those two years.
quote:
But in your world how come Marino only got 1 Miami team to a SB?
Because Defense is half of football and Denver's was consistently better than Miami's.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 2:39 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:is there actual proof of this?
A QB's job is to make plays on 3rd down and keep drives going. Elway did that better than Marino, and it wasn't close
Serious question, I'd like to see that kind of thing in numbers, not just opinion. That's something that could sway my opinion here.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 2:41 pm to shel311
quote:
is there actual proof of this?
No. The closest proof is in the stats I posted. And they argue otherwise.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 2:46 pm to GregMaddux
quote:
Dan Marino should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell
i've heard he is one of the biggest a-holes you'll ever meet
Posted on 12/27/11 at 2:46 pm to theunknownknight
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quote:
Elway. Took his team to 5 sb's 3 basically by himself.
And took a big dump when he got there every time.
Yeah because they weren't VERY GOOD teams...that's the point! Plus the NFC owned the AFC during that era. People keep saying...you could put any QB on those Super Bowl winning Denver teams...well not really, Elway's accurate "gun deep ball opened up the running game...but you put any other QB on those 3 Super Bowl losing Denver teams and Denver doesn't sniff the Super Bowl. Elway put those teams on his back. I've never seen a QB so consistently take such slop to the biggest game without Pro Bowl players or a great cast around him.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 2:56 pm to Zamoro10
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Yeah because they weren't VERY GOOD teams...that's the point! Plus the NFC owned the AFC during that era. People keep saying...you could put any QB on those Super Bowl winning Denver teams...well not really, Elway's accurate "gun deep ball opened up the running game...but you put any other QB on those 3 Super Bowl losing Denver teams and Denver doesn't sniff the Super Bowl. Elway put those teams on his back. I've never seen a QB so consistently take such slop to the biggest game without Pro Bowl players or a great cast around him.
I just don't get how a guy, Marino, who was better than Elway in basically every single passing category you can imagine couldn't do what Elway did.
That doesn't make any sense to me. Elway is putting up worse stats every single week than Marino would, but Marino couldn't do it?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 3:41 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
Who was the better QB: Dan Marino or John Elway?
quote:If you're gonna ask and answer your own question what the frick do you need us for?
Marino was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 12/27/11 at 3:42 pm to SJS Eagle 85
Posted on 12/27/11 at 3:43 pm to shel311
quote:That's because individuals don't win Super Bowls. How is that so hard for most everyone to understand? Dilfer "won" a Super Bowl and he couldn't start for my kid's high school team.
Elway is putting up worse stats every single week than Marino would, but Marino couldn't do it?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 4:13 pm to SJS Eagle 85
quote:
That's because individuals don't win Super Bowls. How is that so hard for most everyone to understand? Dilfer "won" a Super Bowl and he couldn't start for my kid's high school team.
Exactly.
None of those guys crowning 2 titles have Big Ben as a better QB than Manning or Brees, or at least I hope they don't lol.
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