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Who was the better QB: Dan Marino or John Elway?
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:22 pm
Both QBs were in the same draft class and are usually ranked very close to each other in all-time QB rankings. Who do you have ranked higher on your all-time QB list?
Case for Marino
Was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB (Destroys Elway in TD/INT ratio and has the edge in Comp%, TD%, INT%, YPA, QB rating and pretty much every other passing stat you can think of)
Was 2-1 against Elway and badly outplayed him in head to head meetings (Marino against Broncos: 74-
118, 62.7 Comp%, 888 yards, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 94.88 QB rating, Elway against Dolphins: 45-96, 46.9 Comp%, 583 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INTs, 6.1 YPA, 56.9 QB rating)
Never had a rushing attack ranked higher than 13th in his career at a time when a good running game was essential to winning the Super Bowl
Had a top 10 defense only five times in his career, by contrast Elway had a defense that ranked in the top 10 in points allowed per game nine times
Case for Elway
Led his team to three Super Bowls in the '80s compared to only one for Marino despite having a very limited supporting cast
Had far inferior talent at WR compared to Marino until the tail end of his career (Nobody will ever mistake Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson for the Marks brothers)
Was a better playoff QB and clutch performer than Marino (Had a better QB rating and averaged over a yard more per pass attempt in the playoffs and had numerous signature moments in the clutch that Marino just doesn't have)
Was a better running QB than Marino and opposing teams had to account for his ability to beat them with his arm or his legs
Case for Marino
Was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB (Destroys Elway in TD/INT ratio and has the edge in Comp%, TD%, INT%, YPA, QB rating and pretty much every other passing stat you can think of)
Was 2-1 against Elway and badly outplayed him in head to head meetings (Marino against Broncos: 74-
118, 62.7 Comp%, 888 yards, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 94.88 QB rating, Elway against Dolphins: 45-96, 46.9 Comp%, 583 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INTs, 6.1 YPA, 56.9 QB rating)
Never had a rushing attack ranked higher than 13th in his career at a time when a good running game was essential to winning the Super Bowl
Had a top 10 defense only five times in his career, by contrast Elway had a defense that ranked in the top 10 in points allowed per game nine times
Case for Elway
Led his team to three Super Bowls in the '80s compared to only one for Marino despite having a very limited supporting cast
Had far inferior talent at WR compared to Marino until the tail end of his career (Nobody will ever mistake Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson for the Marks brothers)
Was a better playoff QB and clutch performer than Marino (Had a better QB rating and averaged over a yard more per pass attempt in the playoffs and had numerous signature moments in the clutch that Marino just doesn't have)
Was a better running QB than Marino and opposing teams had to account for his ability to beat them with his arm or his legs
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Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:26 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Elway. Marino has no SB. Ergo, Elway. Laces out.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:27 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Marino was the best passer I ever so but overall I would have to take Elway -- he was the Peyton of his day
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:30 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Really close. Both are in my top 5 of all-time.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:31 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
Was a better playoff QB and clutch performer than Marino
Elway had some of the worst SuperBowl performamces
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:34 pm to TigerintheNO
True, but he pretty much led them to the Super Bowl in each of those years, where they faced a far superior opponent each time.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:37 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:
Elway had some of the worst SuperBowl performamces
In the playoffs, Elway had a better QB rating, averaged over a yard more per pass attempt and rushed for 400 more yards than Marino. He also had a 14-8 record in the playoffs while Marino was only 8-10 in the playoffs. It's hard to make an argument for Marino being a better postseason QB than Elway.
This post was edited on 12/26/11 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:42 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
The drive.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:49 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Marino easy.
Elway is overrated.
Elway is overrated.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 7:58 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
In the playoffs, Elway had a better QB rating, averaged over a yard more per pass attempt and rushed for 400 more yards than Marino. He also had a 14-8 record in the playoffs while Marino was only 8-10 in the playoffs. It's hard to make an argument for Marino being a better postseason QB than Elway
What does any of that, have to do with:
quote:
Elway had some of the worst SuperBowl performamces
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:06 pm to SPEEDY
He got there. How many times did Marino get there?
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:07 pm to SPEEDY
My point is that Elway was better in the playoffs regardless of his Super Bowl performances. It shouldn't be a factor in determining the better postseason QB because Marino only played in one SB and his performance in that game was mediocre.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:09 pm to SPEEDY
He's saying that performance in the Super Bowl isn't everything. There are a lot of other games.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:10 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
What does any of that, have to do with: quote: Elway had some of the worst SuperBowl performamces
Given that Super Bowls are part of the playoffs, it illustrates that even given 3 bad Super Bowls, he managed to overcome these tremendous shitstains of performance to put up extremely respectable numbers.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:16 pm to BoardReader
Not to mention Elway also won 2 Super Bowls and was the Super Bowl MVP in the second.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:52 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
True, but he pretty much led them to the Super Bowl in each of those years, where they faced a far superior opponent each time.
The Fk? Terrell Davis was the best player on the Broncos in their 2 super bowl wins. He ran for over 100 yards in every playoff game both years. Against GB he had 150 yards rushing and 3 tds. Elway had 127 yards passing, an int and a rushing td in that game. Also, the Falcons were not a superior opponent in their 2nd superbowl.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:14 pm to ZTiger87
Elway and I don't think it's close.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:18 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Marino
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:22 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Dan Marino.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:23 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
quote:
Who was the better QB
quote:
Was clearly the far more prolific and superior passing QB (Destroys Elway in TD/INT ratio and has the edge in Comp%, TD%, INT%, YPA, QB rating and pretty much every other passing stat you can think of)
I think you answered your own question.
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