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re: Who else here wants the current bcs system to stay in place
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:00 am to JustSmokin
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:00 am to JustSmokin
Ok, so we'll at least agree that choosing the teams in CFBs BCS conferences is much more in teh spotlight and controversial?
That's my entire point. Controversy will still be there. We are focusing on the wrong things. It's not that we need a playoff right now. That's just a quick fix. We need a better system to rank the teams. That should be what is fixed. And as of right now, no one has offered that.
That's my entire point. Controversy will still be there. We are focusing on the wrong things. It's not that we need a playoff right now. That's just a quick fix. We need a better system to rank the teams. That should be what is fixed. And as of right now, no one has offered that.
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Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:02 am to As RXd
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Controversy will still be there.
It would be far less controversy if we had a 4 or 8 team playoff system. Any system that can have a split championship isn't a system.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:06 am to Rekamyah
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Nobody I voted for in Washington is on board with congress legislating college football playoffs. And based on your reply, I'm bitching at people like you, not not myself.
If I recall, the "Great One" did bring this out in his campaign. As for the retard's "civics lesson", yes as long as you don't have voter fraud maximus, aka, acorn, involved.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:07 am to As RXd
As RXd
You claim that the ranking system is bad yet you think its better that said ranking system picks only 2 teams to play for NC instead of picking say top 8 teams. Your not making any sense, if the rankigns are so bad then at the least more than 2 teams should get to play it out on the field.
IMO anyone who thinks the BCS is good, perfectly fine, or great is a complete idiot and probably shouldnt be allowed to contribute to our society.
For christs sakes it would be much better if the controversy was over who is the 8th best team in the country instead of who is the 2nd best team.
If you argue for the BCS in CFB than you should argue for a voting system to determine the top 2 teams in every other sport.
There is no logical argument for the BCS
You claim that the ranking system is bad yet you think its better that said ranking system picks only 2 teams to play for NC instead of picking say top 8 teams. Your not making any sense, if the rankigns are so bad then at the least more than 2 teams should get to play it out on the field.
IMO anyone who thinks the BCS is good, perfectly fine, or great is a complete idiot and probably shouldnt be allowed to contribute to our society.
For christs sakes it would be much better if the controversy was over who is the 8th best team in the country instead of who is the 2nd best team.
If you argue for the BCS in CFB than you should argue for a voting system to determine the top 2 teams in every other sport.
There is no logical argument for the BCS
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:08 am to JustSmokin
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The NCAA has been selecting teams for a playoff in many sports except FBS football for decades
Right....64 of em.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:09 am to bradwieser
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IMO anyone who thinks the BCS is good, perfectly fine, or great is a complete idiot and probably shouldnt be allowed to contribute to our society.
Well, that statement right there makes you a legitimate idiot.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:09 am to As RXd
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Who else here wants the current bcs system to stay in place
I could not care less any more. It used to matter back when it was relevant to LSU, but now that it's not, who cares?
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:10 am to bradwieser
Secondly, I never said that the playoff system would be worse or better. I said there will still be controversy. And there will.
I'm saying that before we go and try to make the easy fix, which is a playoff, we need to change the way teams are ranked. Period. That's the real underlying problem here.
Besides that, you're only looking at the final result of the playoff system. You're not looking at the reasons that there is not one yet. Why haven't they done so? Well, a lot of it has to do with BCS contracts, but also the fact that these kids are students as well. Where do you fit this in during finals time? Explain to me that? Plus, these games are very hard ona persons bod. Tere would be multiple injuries per team. Come on. There's a reason why this argument is still going on; because it can be argued both ways.
To call me an idiot for stating what I have said in this thread makes you ignorant and opposed to listening to any other rational argument other than your own. Grow up.
I'm saying that before we go and try to make the easy fix, which is a playoff, we need to change the way teams are ranked. Period. That's the real underlying problem here.
Besides that, you're only looking at the final result of the playoff system. You're not looking at the reasons that there is not one yet. Why haven't they done so? Well, a lot of it has to do with BCS contracts, but also the fact that these kids are students as well. Where do you fit this in during finals time? Explain to me that? Plus, these games are very hard ona persons bod. Tere would be multiple injuries per team. Come on. There's a reason why this argument is still going on; because it can be argued both ways.
To call me an idiot for stating what I have said in this thread makes you ignorant and opposed to listening to any other rational argument other than your own. Grow up.
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:11 am to Nuts4LSU
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I could not care less any more. It used to matter back when it was relevant to LSU, but now that it's not, who cares?
what a maroon. Please share more with us about the sky falling chicken little
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:13 am to JustSmokin
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The NCAA has been selecting teams for a playoff in many sports except FBS football for decades.
But there's one important difference in basketball, at least. In basketball, every conference has a guaranteed berth in the tournament, so if any team in any conference has a perfect season and wins every game, it's guaranteed to win the national championship. In football, the greatest team in the history of the sport could steamroll every opponent it faces and still not win the title.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:15 am to As RXd
there is no perfect way to rank teams, thats why a playoff is necessary. There is controversy in everything. There would be less if teams were allowed to play it out on the field. And that is to say nothing of the money the universities miss out on by outsourcing their most profitable asset, post season football.
Can you imagine the atmosphere if USC or Texas or Ohio State had to come to Tiger Stadium to play a quarter/semi-final matchup?! Can you imagine the money LSU(and Baton Rouge) would make if they got to play 2 more home games, two of the biggest games of the year!?
Can you imagine the atmosphere if USC or Texas or Ohio State had to come to Tiger Stadium to play a quarter/semi-final matchup?! Can you imagine the money LSU(and Baton Rouge) would make if they got to play 2 more home games, two of the biggest games of the year!?
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:16 am to bradwieser
Well, I'll tell you this much. When you come on here for your first post and call someone an idiot without listening to his argument, you've completely written that person off.
My thread wasn't hostile nor did it personally attack you.
Further, you completely averted my reasoning as to why the BCS conferences haven't gone to a playoff yet.
My thread wasn't hostile nor did it personally attack you.
Further, you completely averted my reasoning as to why the BCS conferences haven't gone to a playoff yet.
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 11:17 am
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:16 am to Nuts4LSU
EDIT: Nevermind
This post was edited on 12/11/09 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:20 am to As RXd
I'm not in favor of a playoff system for the following reasons:
1. The BCS exists to match the best two teams to play for the national championship. The other bowls are not as important. More often than not, the two teams that should be playing for the title are indeed playing for the title. There were a couple of years where there was controversy ('03 and '04), but it beats the hell out of the old bowl system, where the top teams didn't even face each other. Back then, you could have a #1 Pac 10 team playing a #12 ranked Big Ten champ for the national title (if the Pac 10 team won). That's BS.
2. A playoff would diminish the importance of the regular season. This is a fact. Don't even try to argue it. In college football, EVERY weekend is like a playoff game. When you lose, you feel it. When you win, you feel it. In the NFL, when the Broncos beat the Bears, who really cares? Nobody. It doesn't matter until the playoffs. Even if the Saints finish 16-0 in the regular season, does it really matter? Of course not. You have to win the SUPER BOWL for it to count. Even a game of great importance like the SEC championship game would be ruined in stature because it will mean less. Who cares if Florida loses the SEC championship game this year? They would still have a shot at the national championship game. Hell, there would be no reason for either team to even field its starters in that game if you think about it.
3. In the current bowl system, all of the winners of the 32 or so bowls go home happy at the end of the season. In the playoffs, one team is happy at the end of the season. Only one. How often do you think that will be YOUR team at the end? Do you really hate yourselves that much, to support that kind of system?
4. As many people have stated previously, even in a 16 team playoff, there will be 3-4 teams arguing that they should have had a shot at the playoffs, all the same as there are 3-4 teams every year arguing that they should have had a shot in the BCS. Their seasons would end in even more meaningless fashion, as the remaining bowl games would be like the N.I.T. compared to March Madness.
5. The win-at-all-costs mentality would become even more pervasive throughout college football than it is now. With only one team happy at the end, remember... the pressure to win will be greater than ever. If you're a major college power who keeps finishing 2nd or 3rd in a playoff system, the temptation to cheat and the meddling of boosters with money will be off the charts. Coaches will be fired left and right.
6. Why would you trust a poll or committee to have any more integrity in choosing which teams get into the playoffs than the polls which determine who goes into the BCS?
7. Realizing that academic standards and performance is already a joke, how much more of joke would it be when the playoffs drag college football's season well into January? Or do you want them to just play it all out in December, so the kids won't have a holiday season or a break from classes/football? They're already your little entertainment slaves every weekend in the fall. Hell, why not make them entertain you even more, as you sit back in your recliner of entitlement, watching the little non-persons on TV play football, for free. They're PEOPLE. They're not professionals. In a 16 team playoff, an SEC champion would have to play 17 games. More than most NFL teams. They're supposed to go to class sometime in between all of that? Oh yeah, that doesn't matter. Sorry.
Be careful what you wish for when you demand a playoff. It WILL radically change the game of college football. You assume it will be a positive change, but is it really worth the reward of having a "clear" #1 champion, when in most years, we already KNOW who the #1 team is, through our current system?
1. The BCS exists to match the best two teams to play for the national championship. The other bowls are not as important. More often than not, the two teams that should be playing for the title are indeed playing for the title. There were a couple of years where there was controversy ('03 and '04), but it beats the hell out of the old bowl system, where the top teams didn't even face each other. Back then, you could have a #1 Pac 10 team playing a #12 ranked Big Ten champ for the national title (if the Pac 10 team won). That's BS.
2. A playoff would diminish the importance of the regular season. This is a fact. Don't even try to argue it. In college football, EVERY weekend is like a playoff game. When you lose, you feel it. When you win, you feel it. In the NFL, when the Broncos beat the Bears, who really cares? Nobody. It doesn't matter until the playoffs. Even if the Saints finish 16-0 in the regular season, does it really matter? Of course not. You have to win the SUPER BOWL for it to count. Even a game of great importance like the SEC championship game would be ruined in stature because it will mean less. Who cares if Florida loses the SEC championship game this year? They would still have a shot at the national championship game. Hell, there would be no reason for either team to even field its starters in that game if you think about it.
3. In the current bowl system, all of the winners of the 32 or so bowls go home happy at the end of the season. In the playoffs, one team is happy at the end of the season. Only one. How often do you think that will be YOUR team at the end? Do you really hate yourselves that much, to support that kind of system?
4. As many people have stated previously, even in a 16 team playoff, there will be 3-4 teams arguing that they should have had a shot at the playoffs, all the same as there are 3-4 teams every year arguing that they should have had a shot in the BCS. Their seasons would end in even more meaningless fashion, as the remaining bowl games would be like the N.I.T. compared to March Madness.
5. The win-at-all-costs mentality would become even more pervasive throughout college football than it is now. With only one team happy at the end, remember... the pressure to win will be greater than ever. If you're a major college power who keeps finishing 2nd or 3rd in a playoff system, the temptation to cheat and the meddling of boosters with money will be off the charts. Coaches will be fired left and right.
6. Why would you trust a poll or committee to have any more integrity in choosing which teams get into the playoffs than the polls which determine who goes into the BCS?
7. Realizing that academic standards and performance is already a joke, how much more of joke would it be when the playoffs drag college football's season well into January? Or do you want them to just play it all out in December, so the kids won't have a holiday season or a break from classes/football? They're already your little entertainment slaves every weekend in the fall. Hell, why not make them entertain you even more, as you sit back in your recliner of entitlement, watching the little non-persons on TV play football, for free. They're PEOPLE. They're not professionals. In a 16 team playoff, an SEC champion would have to play 17 games. More than most NFL teams. They're supposed to go to class sometime in between all of that? Oh yeah, that doesn't matter. Sorry.
Be careful what you wish for when you demand a playoff. It WILL radically change the game of college football. You assume it will be a positive change, but is it really worth the reward of having a "clear" #1 champion, when in most years, we already KNOW who the #1 team is, through our current system?
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:24 am to SpqrTiger
Right. Every sport on earth has it wrong.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:25 am to JustSmokin
Every sport on earth is INFERIOR to college football.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:25 am to SpqrTiger
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:25 am to bradwieser
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You claim that the ranking system is bad yet you think its better that said ranking system picks only 2 teams to play for NC instead of picking say top 8 teams. Your not making any sense, if the rankigns are so bad then at the least more than 2 teams should get to play it out on the field.
Pick your eight.
Pick em now.
I will debate that there is more room for debate on the top 8 than there is on the top two.
Go ahead and go 4 or 16 if you want......it will be a field day.
The only way it works is to stretch it to 32 or more. That is the only way that a playoff makes sense.
We got a playoff now.
Make out a real schedule, and win your games and then play for the title. and Please, please, please dont really show ignorance and compare Cincy and Boise to Texas and Bama.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:28 am to tigerfoot
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please dont really show ignorance and compare Cincy and Boise to Texas and Bama.
Yep. Those non-BCS teams have proven they can't beat the big boys in BCS bowls.
Posted on 12/11/09 at 11:33 am to JustSmokin
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BCS bowls
When did Cincy beat anyone in a BCS bowl. They got shelled last time they stepped on a field with a barely top 20 VT team in the Orange.
Boise, really. Really. Who do they play. Hell Tech played a tougher schedule.
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