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re: When Lebron said "Not 1, Not 2", etc, did he actually mean total finals losses?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:54 pm to Madking
Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:54 pm to Madking
I can't even quote your post it has so much wrong with it. The level of athlete now from 20 years ago is quite a gap. The finals teams from the last 7 years would demolish all those teams the Bulls played. The gravitation towards the three point line alone would be a huge advantage for today's teams not to mention size and speed at every position.
Also Draymond Green is most likely defensive player of the year. He's not a sure fire HOF but on his trajectory he will be, along with Klay.
Also Draymond Green is most likely defensive player of the year. He's not a sure fire HOF but on his trajectory he will be, along with Klay.
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Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:59 pm to Drewbie
quote:What? So you're basing it off your perception of a fanbases standard? That's ridiculous.
Because of the standard he and his fanbase set for him.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:01 am to LSUTigKyl
10-7-7 is a hall of famer lol. That assessment alone disqualifies anything els you have to say. Ever play basketball? Ever watched any of the teams Jordan played against in the finals? Ever watch basketball pre 2007?
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 12:04 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:06 am to Madking
I hate Draymond Green. Hate him but if he keeps playing at this level defensively, and throwing up triple doubles - he has like 20 in his career already - and the Warriors win multiple titles.....he has a real shot at the hall of fame.
Draymond would be a nightmare for all the old teams you listed.
Draymond would be a nightmare for all the old teams you listed.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:06 am to Madking
quote:It's a lot easier to get into the basketball HOF though.
10-7-7 is a hall of famer lol. That assessment alone disqualifies anything els you have to say.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:10 am to buckeye_vol
That's true but not many defensive only guys get in. Rodman was the last and only defense only guy I can remember but he's an all time rebounder so he had stats to support his case. Draymond has team success only. You're both right it's possible but it would be a shame.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 12:14 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:12 am to LSUTigKyl
Nightmare is strong but he'd fit in. If you look at the 91 Portland te they had 2 Draymond type players in Buck Williams and Jerome Kersey. Everyone of the Bad Boys were just like Draymond, he's rare for this era but not rare in the grand scheme.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 12:13 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:14 am to Madking
quote:He does have a 2nd and 3rd team All-NBA to go along with his All-NBA defense in only 5 seasons. I don't think he'll get there, but it's not outrageous if he continues the trend.
Draymon has team success only. You're both right it's possible but it would be a shame.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:18 am to buckeye_vol
When you look at Metas peak years they're better and he was a stopper type player. Bruce Bowen was an all defensive guy who won championships and he doesn't belong. Green does get triple doubles and for whatever reason that may carry a lot of weight. I dunno how you see it but to me he's nowhere near a HOF player you put him in a place like Phili and he wouldn't move the needle a smidge in the W-L column.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 12:21 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:21 am to Madking
If they want to make the argument that lebron has played tougher teams in the finals then MJ would've made 10+ finals playing in the atrocious east lebron has faces throughout his career. The only real other contender in the east has been those Celtic teams a few years ago.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:26 am to TigerChief10
Very true and if anyone thinks that 09 Magic that beat Lebron would've even slowed the Jordan teams down they're insane. It's just another opinion based tactic Lebron fan boys use to nip at Jordan heels which is all they'll ever be able to do. These ppl are saying that the 2011 Mavs could stay on the floor with Magic Johnson and the Lakers lmao. Besides this super team who has beaten Lebron the most? It's the Spurs an old style team with a coach from another era, the teams Jordan beat played the same way sometimes with much better personnel if theydve watched hoops back then they'd know this.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:28 am to TigerChief10
quote:MJ would have more Finals appearances and not have won all of his Finals appears. Who is the otherwise?
If they want to make the argument that lebron has played tougher teams in the finals then MJ would've made 10+ finals playing in the atrocious east lebron has faces throughout his career. The only real other contender in the east has been those Celtic teams a few years ago
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:29 am to TigerChief10
quote:That's true. I think that's why Mike gets more of a pass for falling out in earlier rounds early in his career. He wasn't losing to some mediocre team. He was losing to people like Larry Bird.
If they want to make the argument that lebron has played tougher teams in the finals then MJ would've made 10+ finals playing in the atrocious east lebron has faces throughout his career. The only real other contender in the east has been those Celtic teams a few years ago.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:34 am to Madking
quote:They didn't win because they slowed Lebron and Cavs down. They won because they shot 40% from 3 and Dwight had plenty of open space.
Very true and if anyone thinks that 09 Magic that beat Lebron would've even slowed the Jordan teams down they're insane.
Now obviously they weren't near as good as the NBA finals teams, but they were a very good team.
quote:The 2011 Mavs are by far the worst team Lebron faced in the Finals. It was a terrible blemish on his record, but when we say Lebron faced better competition, the 2011 Mavs is the 1 team not being used.
These ppl are saying that the 2011 Mavs could stay on the floor with Magic Johnson and the Lakers lmao.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:36 am to Drewbie
quote:This is exactly what we're saying about Lebron losing in the finals to historically great teams. The point is, losing to better teams, shouldn't be a knock on either, but it's ridiculous that it's only a knock when it occurs in the NBA finals.
That's true. I think that's why Mike gets more of a pass for falling out in earlier rounds early in his career. He wasn't losing to some mediocre team. He was losing to people like Larry Bird.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:39 am to Drewbie
quote:and Lebron isn't facing mediocre teams in the Finals, so it makes no sense to give MJ a pass but not Lebron, for those that view it that way
I think that's why Mike gets more of a pass for falling out in earlier rounds early in his career. He wasn't losing to some mediocre team. He was losing to people like Larry Bird
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 12:39 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:40 am to shel311
quote:He doesn't need one. He's 6-0 in the Finals. When he made it to the end, he finished it.
MJ a pass
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:42 am to Madking
quote:Unfortunately, the brawl with the fans is going to hurt whatever chances he had.
When you look at Metas peak years they're better and he was a stopper type player.
quote:No, but he was only defense. His career bests are 8.2 points, 3.9 rebounds, and 1.6 assists. The most points he ever scored in a game was 24. At least Draymond has enough offensive game to supplment it. He already has 2.4 more offensive win shares than Bowen in 476 fewer games.
Bruce Bowen was an all defensive guy who won championships and he doesn't belong.
quote:I actually agree, and I don't think he will be one with GSW however, whether right or wrong, that gives him a better chance.
I dunno how you see it but to me he's nowhere near a HOF player you put him in a place like Phili and he wouldn't move the needle a smidge in the W-L column.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 12:45 am to Drewbie
quote:And what we are trying to tell you is that Lebron has faced better competition in the Finals. More importantly, it shouldn't matter whether happen to face and lose to the best competition and lose in round 1 or in the Finals.
He doesn't need one. He's 6-0 in the Finals. When he made it to the end, he finished it.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 1:07 am to buckeye_vol
It's just not true. The Warriors yes, now for sure but Duncan at 38 hell no the 07 Spurs with an old Horry starting hell no 2011 Mavs hell no Kevin Durant at 23 years old with the Thunder not a chance in Hell so besides the Warriors there's not a team better than any MJ faced. Clyde Drexler in his prime Magic in his prime Barkley Stockton and Malone MVP seasons and Kemp and the glove in their prime. Either you guys never saw those teams or you forgot how good those teams were.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 1:08 am
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