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re: Vince Young will not return to Tennessee next season.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:02 am to TexasTiger6777
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:02 am to TexasTiger6777
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Exactly, I don't think VY was doing something that another decent QB couldn't do. The Titans were winning but it wasn't because of him.
?????
I remember, not too long ago, when the Titans started something like 0-6, the owner had to threaten Jeff F with his job to start VY, and then the Titans won something like 7 in a row.
Look, Vince made 2 pro bowls, was ROY, had a winning record and led the Titans to some tremendous comebacks.
Did he work as hard as he should have? No
Did he prep as well as he could have? No
I don't think this was because Vince was lazy or felt entitled. I think it was because Jeff Fisher not only didn't support him but was actively working against Vince. This is proven by the owner having to threaten Fisher to do the right thing and to play Vince. Put VY with a coach who wants him and who will help him to be a better pro, and Vince could definitely lead a team to a title.
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:05 am to Dr Drunkenstein
I'm not going to look up their records but didn't Kerry Collins have a pretty good year taking them to the playoffs after VY got hurt or benched? The guy went off the deep end because he got booed and again when they wouldn't let him go back in after he faked another inury. I wouldn't want him on my team.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:11 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Dude is a head case. Not someone you would want leading a professional team.
This is a crazy thing to say. Years ago, after a meeting where Fisher (incorrectly) benched VY for an upcoming start, Vince left the Titans facility, went for a drive and didn't answer his cell for a while. That was it. We hear of 'crazier' things being done by NFL players on a weekly basis. Of course, Fisher blew it our of proportion and said they were worried about Vince being a danger to himself and other unsubstantiated nonsense.
The last blow up, when Vince cursed out Fisher and left the locker room, it is easy to paint Vince as the bad guy. Of course, no player should do that. But.....how many years could any of us deal with a boss who was actively working against our success before you finally reach your limit. Vince wanted to go back in to the game after hurting his hand. He was warming up on the sideline and wanted a shot. That was it. Not only did Fisher not give him the shot, but he wouldn't even talk to Vince. He ignored him.
Vince is a winner. It is in his bones. Fisher is a proven loser. No coach in the NFL has had their job for a longer period of time and still Fisher can't get a ring.....and he never will. It isn't in his DNA. He isn't a good enough coach. He makes poor decisions. Fisher will one day watch Vince left the Lombardi trophy and it will eat him alive.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:13 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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The guy went off the deep end because he got booed and again when they wouldn't let him go back in after he faked another inury.
You couldn't have the facts any more twisted. Vince never went off the deep end as a member of the Titans.....not once. Vince never faked an injury. In fact, Vince was put on IR after the team doctor looked at his hand after the game.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:24 am to Dr Drunkenstein
You watched VY play at Texas for 2.5 years. He's been with TN for 5 years. I think most of those fans know who VY is more than you Texas fans. In the NFL players get a lot more exposure through the media. They play more games in a season. Titans fans have learned VY is a good QB and is a winner, WHEN his mind is right. Why Texas fans think they are the only ones to know anything about VY is just ignorant.
The problem is, his mind isn't right 50% of the time. He can't take criticism. He clearly has daddy issues. His mind is fragile. If he was just a little more mature he would still be a Titan.
Last year when the Titans started out 0-6, it wasn't because of the QB play. Special teams and defense where atrocious. The schedule was the hardest in those 6 games. After the bye week, VY stepped in and did a tremendous job rallying the team. However, in those 10 games, the Titans only played two teams above .500. They lost to one of those teams and only beat the other because Kurt Warner was injured and VY had the drive of his lifetime at the end to win it. I was there and it was freaking awesome.
In sum, VY is a winner, but has major authority and maturity issues that prevent him from maintaining any balance or consistency. Non of that is Fisher's fault.
The problem is, his mind isn't right 50% of the time. He can't take criticism. He clearly has daddy issues. His mind is fragile. If he was just a little more mature he would still be a Titan.
Last year when the Titans started out 0-6, it wasn't because of the QB play. Special teams and defense where atrocious. The schedule was the hardest in those 6 games. After the bye week, VY stepped in and did a tremendous job rallying the team. However, in those 10 games, the Titans only played two teams above .500. They lost to one of those teams and only beat the other because Kurt Warner was injured and VY had the drive of his lifetime at the end to win it. I was there and it was freaking awesome.
In sum, VY is a winner, but has major authority and maturity issues that prevent him from maintaining any balance or consistency. Non of that is Fisher's fault.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:28 am to Trauma14
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Last year when the Titans started out 0-6, it wasn't because of the QB play.
It played a MAJOR part.
And if we give Fisher an extension and re-sign Scary Kerry, I'm solely a Saints fan until Fisher's gone.
Also, CJ's not happy VY was let go....
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:31 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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You couldn't have the facts any more twisted. Vince never went off the deep end as a member of the Titans.....not once. Vince never faked an injury. In fact, Vince was put on IR after the team doctor looked at his hand after the game.
I'm not in "the know" about things behind closed doors so I can say anything about going off the deep end. What I do know is Titans fans were spoiled with McNair at QB. He was a hardnosed, old school football player who wouldn't let injuries prevent him from trying his hardest. VY routinely "tweaked" things during games and would take himself out of a game. Coaches would be befuddled has to why he would walk off the field. He would roll around on the sideline, get sympathy from teammates, then beg to go back in.
That's part of his immaturity. He's an attention whore. Coaches simply wanted him to play through it, but he just wouldn't learn. The last injury, his thumb, Fisher had enough and wouldn't play his game anymore. You can't use that one incident as your be all end all reason for blaming Fisher. The coaches USED TO bend over backwards to coddle VY. They just got tired of it.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:36 am to Trauma14
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You can't use that one incident as your be all end all reason for blaming Fisher
True. His loyalty to worthless players (Del Greco, Nickey, Kerry, etc.), the mediocrity he has without amazing players(the 14-2 season with Fat Albert playing out of his mind) or great coordinators (Gregg Williams ring a bell?), clock management that makes Miles look amazing at it, and the inability to put the best players on the field at the same time (Moss) are much better reasons for firing him.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:40 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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I remember, not too long ago, when the Titans started something like 0-6,
I remember the year before they were 13-3 with Kerry Collins. How did VY do this year?
Its a team game. The Titans won inspite of, not because of VY.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:41 am to H-Town Tiger
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I remember the year before they were 13-3 with Kerry Collins
Kerry Collins had very little to do with that season.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:43 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Fisher will one day watch Vince left the Lombardi trophy
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:44 am to Trauma14
It is absurd IMO to state that Jeff Fisher did not want his Quarterback to succeed being his job is dependent on winning. VY is the problem and maybe he just needs to go off to mamby, pamby, land lay on a couch and have some tissue thrown at him by a former drill sargent.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:45 am to TN Bhoy
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It played a MAJOR part.
You are clearly a Titans fan too. Let me preface this with I agree with you about Fisher. He sucks. I do think we should resign Scary Kerry solely because we no longer have VY. We need someone next year to backup whoever our new QB will be. I do not want Kerry to be our starter though.
As far as the 0-6 start. I completely disagree with you on QB play being a major factor. We could have easily been 3-0 the first 3 weeks. All three games came down to the wire despite the fact special teams turnovers and a porous defense tried (and succeeded) in giving away the games. I place this solely on Fisher and his promotion of Chuck Cecil. Do you remember the return game the beginning of the year?
The Jags and Colts game we straight sucked in all 3 aspects. The NE game was down right dirty. With better play from special teams and the defense, and Kerry as the starter we should have been 3-3. Being that I like VY when his mind and body are healthy I think we could have gone 4-2 in that stretch, providing the D and special teams played better. As they were, VY could have gone 1-5, MAYBE 2-4.
I am torn about getting rid of VY. I truly think he can be a consistent winner in the NFL, but I also think his immaturity is holding him back. Bud had to make his decision whether he thought VY would ever mature and learn how to play consistent and without being a prima donna. Bud clearly thinks he will never mature. As for me, I kind of agree with Bud, but would still hope for him to grow if he was still a Titan.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:47 am to TN Bhoy
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Kerry Collins had very little to do with that season.
sorry can't have it both ways, we either give the QB credit for wins or we don't. Collins is a game manager, but he been the starter for multiple playoff teams including a SB team. The Titans went to the playoffs with VY when he had a 9-17 TD to int ratio. If we are going to credit Vince for that, then why not Collins and his 12-7 season the next year?
This post was edited on 1/6/11 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:48 am to Dr Drunkenstein
Has there ever been a fanbase as delusional and defensive about a player as Texas fans are with Vince? Good lord
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:49 am to TN Bhoy
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and the inability to put the best players on the field at the same time (Moss) are much better reasons for firing him.
That boggles my mind. They even said in a presser they would try to put Britt and Moss on the field at the same time. NEVER HAPPENED. Those bastards lied. I liked Dinger until this Moss debacle. The whole staff needs to leave.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:51 am to usc6158
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Has there ever been a fanbase as delusional and defensive about a player as Texas fans are with Vince? Good lord
I know. It's weird. He played for them for 2.5 years. VY has been in the NFL for 5 years and they still lecture Titans fans about the real VY. I think Titans fans know who the real VY is and Texas fans never got to really meet him.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:55 am to usc6158
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Has there ever been a fanbase as delusional and defensive about a player as Texas fans are with Vince? Good lord
no, not even close, I can't even think of a close second. The sad part is they were the same way about Applewhite BV. Probably the most delusional, arrogant and least knowledgeable fanbase for an elite program.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 11:19 am to H-Town Tiger
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Has there ever been a fanbase as delusional and defensive about a player as Texas fans are with Vince? Good lord
I don't think so although LSU and Russell were pretty bad until he couldn't find a team to play for. If the Saints didn't have Drew Brees I would be pissed if they signed VY. It's nothing personal I don't think he is good though. Let one of the Texas teams have him.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 11:22 am to TigerNlc
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I don't think so although LSU and Russell were pretty bad
wut? Half the LSU fanbase bashed JR when he was the LSU QB.
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