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re: Tyrann Mathieu to enter NFL draft
Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:45 am to Blackbeard
Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:45 am to Blackbeard
I thought he can't cover?
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Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:46 am to Blackbeard
Bengals lock 
Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:53 am to teke184
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Add in drug problems and legal problems and you've got him falling down pretty far on draft boards.
He has 1 minor legal issue related to pot, Dre Kirkpatrick arrested after last season for possession, he was still drafted in the first round. There are lots of guys drafted with similar issues.
His height is an issue, but would be if he was a chior boy. If he works out well, he'll get drafted somewhere from the 3rd -5th round.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:55 am to H-Town Tiger
I really don't see him getting past the 3rd
Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:58 am to molsusports
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He smoked anyway, he was then kicked off the team and STILL couldn't stay out of trouble for the year he needed to (to rehabilitate his image and potentially get back into LSU). That description sounds like a guy who either has a terrible drug problem that he can't beat or a guy who has absolutely no maturity and can't do the simplest important things to keep out of trouble.
while true, a much larger portion of the NFL than we think have similar issues.
We say he has a drug problem because it's illegal. If he was caught drinking beer every weekend no one would give a shite. Some people that drink a lot have a drinking problem and some don't. Maturity/control issues are a factor and some teams will pass, but he's also a playmaker. If you can play, some one will forgive a lot of sins.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:58 am to H-Town Tiger
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He has 1 minor legal issue related to pot, Dre Kirkpatrick arrested after last season for possession, he was still drafted in the first round. There are lots of guys drafted with similar issues.
how many get drafted early after getting kicked out of school for repeated positive results? and then get in trouble for the same thing a month later
these are big red flags - I'm not saying the Raiders or Bengals don't take him anyway, but he's badly hurt if not destroyed his NFL prospects
Posted on 11/29/12 at 9:59 am to Blackbeard
4th round.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:01 am to lsu480
I would be shocked if he doesn't go in the first round. his film is the sickest of any defensive player that exists in the last 25 years aside form maybe Suh.
He also will kill it at the combine. and he is an extremely skilled special teamer. he is worth the risk. they will need to give him the Dez/Josh Hamilton treatment and hire a personal nanny to follow him around, but he is worth the risk.
He also will kill it at the combine. and he is an extremely skilled special teamer. he is worth the risk. they will need to give him the Dez/Josh Hamilton treatment and hire a personal nanny to follow him around, but he is worth the risk.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:04 am to molsusports
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how many get drafted early after getting kicked out of school for repeated positive results?
Jenkins got kicked out of school and got drafted in the first round from a small school. He is not the only one.
Also not every school has the same drug policy as LSU. There are guys that have been drafted that are rumored to have multiple failed tests, but weren't suspended because their school *cough* Florida * cough* don't suspend for failed drug tests or don't test at all.
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but he's badly hurt if not destroyed his NFL
dude Pacman Jones in the NFL right now how many much more serious legal issues has he had? If he can play someone will take him and it's more teams than just the Raiders and Bengals.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:05 am to Tiger Ryno
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He also will kill it at the combine
I don't think so - TM was never a combine numbers kind of guy (which is the reason he was ignored by many schools out of high school).
He's not going to go out there and run a Ron Brooks kind of 40 or show up 4 inches taller than people thought he was.
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he is an extremely skilled special teamer
which is generally a mid to late round pick if you have no red flags
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:05 am to H-Town Tiger
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He has 1 minor legal issue related to pot, Dre Kirkpatrick arrested after last season for possession, he was still drafted in the first round. There are lots of guys drafted with similar issues.
His height is an issue, but would be if he was a chior boy. If he works out well, he'll get drafted somewhere from the 3rd -5th round.
Similar issues, yes, but I'm willing to bet a lot of the guys who get second chances after those issues have the kind of measurables that make a scout cream themselves.
Kirkpatrick, for instance, is 6'2" per the NFL combine. That's pretty tall for a corner in the NFL and he'd get a second chance from someone because they'd think they could fix his drug issues and have him cover a Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson.
Matthieu's height plays against him in this kind of thinking, as he's listed at 5'9" and I think that's a bit inflated. I figure he'll come back closer to 5'7" at the NFL combine, if he's invited.
Less impressive measurables will mean they will be less likely to take a gamble on him.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:10 am to teke184
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if he's invited.
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Less impressive measurables will mean they will be less likely to take a gamble on him
That would be the case if he was a boy scout. His pot issues have little impact on that. I've never thought he would a CB in the NFL. Bob Sanders is 5'8" 200lbs. That's the type of role Mathieu will play in the NFL.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:10 am to Tiger Ryno
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I would be shocked if he doesn't go in the first round.
wasnt he projected as a 2nd rounder before all this shite went down?
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:12 am to teke184
PAC Man jones was like the 6th pick in the draft. He wasn't tall. And had some off field concerns
Matthieu will get drafted stop being stupid.
And he's not 5'7" lol
Eta: htown beat me to comparison
Matthieu will get drafted stop being stupid.
And he's not 5'7" lol
Eta: htown beat me to comparison
This post was edited on 11/29/12 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:13 am to H-Town Tiger
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Pacman Jones in the NFL right now
we're talking about getting drafted right? drafted in a high round (say the first three rounds).
That's what I'm talking about at least. TM was a great player for LSU and it kills me how badly he's fricked himself up... but he isn't going to show up to the combine and blow it up like Pacman or Randy Moss running a 4.4 40 .
I figure he gets picked up in late rounds or as an undrafted free agent - but being picked up late or as a UFA means he'll get a smaller contract and the team who picks him up will feel they have less invested in him and are more free to just cut him loose if he fricks up again.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:13 am to rocket31
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wasnt he projected as a 2nd rounder before all this shite went down?
early stuff i saw had him at 25-50, so late first early 2nd.
I'm think now 3rd-5th, depending on how he tests out. If he blows up in workouts, he'll go higher.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:15 am to molsusports
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I figure he gets picked up in late rounds or as an undrafted free agent
There's pretty much a 0% chance he goes undrafted. He may not be a 4.2 guy, but he's not a 4.8 guy either.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:17 am to H-Town Tiger
He won't get past the 4th round I promise you that. He dude hasn't lost his athletic abilities in a year
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:18 am to molsusports
He won't be measured by his 40 as much as his agility drills, which he should do good in. He's a nickel corner who'll be covering slot WRs. How well he can move in tight spaces will be his bread and butter.
He'll have a spot because of the evolution of the passing game and usage of the slot WR
He'll have a spot because of the evolution of the passing game and usage of the slot WR
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:18 am to jdog24116
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He won't get past the 4th round I promise you that.
hope you're right - but LSU fans on TM sound like Arkansas fans on Ryan Mallet
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