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re: Topic revist: Has conference expansion had a positive effect on college sports?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:29 pm to CelticDog
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:29 pm to CelticDog
I was thinking Moorehead, yes Murray is FCS. But you then have to add them to the MVC in football which just added UND would make it a 12 team league, which is fine. But Murray can not compete in football in the MVC, they just do not have the players.
Moorehead is PFL in Football OVC in everything else
Murray is OVC in all
I always confuse them for some reason.
Moorehead is PFL in Football OVC in everything else
Murray is OVC in all
I always confuse them for some reason.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 2:31 pm
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:31 pm to Dire Wolf
Agreed
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:36 pm to WestCoastAg
I thought NEB was great for the B10 but did not care with MD and Rutgers.
Didn't mind A&M and Mizzou as much.
Didn't mind A&M and Mizzou as much.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 2:50 pm to WestCoastAg
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Agreed
The great thing about AAC football is that schools have to take chances on their coach, knowing they will only be there for a few years and since it is so diverse (school, academics, region) everyone wins in their own way. Most other conferences recruit kids with similar backgrounds and run styles the compliment each other.
Temple recruits the bruising linebackers from steal country and plays good defense
Navy runs triple option to death
Houston gets all the near power-5 guys from Harris county with a few diamonds in the rough
USF does the exact same thing but with fast dudes from Florida
SMU runs the modern wishbone
You get so many odd matchups. Like navy has been such a crap matchup for Houston. They were able to keep the ball forever and Houston was pass rushing defense with a good secondary.
Then a few weeks later navy gets owned by Temple because they are physical enough
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:24 pm to WestCoastAg
I personally hate it. Nebraska/Oklahoma, Texas/aTm, and Pitt/WVU were awesome rivalries late in the season. Traditions are part of what make college football so amazing and the realignment is just kicking that to the curb.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:31 pm to WestCoastAg
No. It's been entirely driven by money and survival.
And it's only going to get worse when the XII implodes and the current cable model finally collapses. Then the gulf between the haves (B1G, SEC) and the have-nots (everyone else) will become even greater.
I'm glad we're a "have", but it's not a positive for college athletics overall.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:51 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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SEC fans constantly argue that Mizzou and Aggy detract from the SEC's reputation because of geography. That's specious reasoning.
No its not due to geography.
SEC fans view Mizzou as a school run by a bunch of SJW pussies, who since joining the conference are known for two things, the coming out of a gay football player and the football team threatening to boycott a game.
Now the A&M student body is just different kind of weird, like don't leave them in the room alone with your pet weird.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:51 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:prude
like don't leave them in the room alone with your pet weird.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 5:46 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:winning the East twice?
who since joining the conference are known for two things
Posted on 4/21/17 at 5:59 pm to TigerintheNO
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the A&M student body is just different kind of weird
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:08 pm to WestCoastAg
Conference expansion is only about $$$. Which isn't a bad thing. But it's sad that college sports has become this . This is why I used to be a fan of amateurism . However, when football coaches alone are making $10 million , it's hard for me to sit here with a straight face and talk about how this isn't professional . Pay the damn players who want to be paid, provide scholarships for the others.
SEC: I don't mind the adding of Mizzou and A&M. It has brought in tons of more revenue including the SEC network.
Big 12: expansion has hurt them. This last round of "interviews" they did turned out to be a farce. When their TV partners indicated that none of the proposed schools would add any revenue, Big 12 went "J.K. On that expansion! "
PAC 12: adding Utah and Colorado, + market reach , neutral on academics, + revenue , overall? +
Big 10: the Big 10 was known for schools with great academics , now? Not so much. But again, way more market share and revenue coming in. Big 10 sold their academic soul for sports $$$ (not that that's a bad thing, just saying ).
ACC: I'm getting tired , they came out ahead
SEC: I don't mind the adding of Mizzou and A&M. It has brought in tons of more revenue including the SEC network.
Big 12: expansion has hurt them. This last round of "interviews" they did turned out to be a farce. When their TV partners indicated that none of the proposed schools would add any revenue, Big 12 went "J.K. On that expansion! "
PAC 12: adding Utah and Colorado, + market reach , neutral on academics, + revenue , overall? +
Big 10: the Big 10 was known for schools with great academics , now? Not so much. But again, way more market share and revenue coming in. Big 10 sold their academic soul for sports $$$ (not that that's a bad thing, just saying ).
ACC: I'm getting tired , they came out ahead
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:15 pm to WestCoastAg
Nope. The negatives far outweigh the positives. It had been a disaster upon the SEC.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:16 pm to chalmetteowl
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quote:
who since joining the conference are known for two things
winning the East twice?
I think that has ruffled the most feathers.
Mizzou was dogshite outside the SEC. It hurt the insular reputation.
Plus, Aggy and Mizzou don't make much sense...
I mean nobody would put UT in the SEC..
Just as they wouldn't put them in the PAC. That was just as crazy idea.
Or can you imagine Oklahoma in the PAC which almost happened. Those expansion aggressions was a crazy year where conferences overreacted to Super power wars.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Aggie adds texas tv sets.
Missouri should be in west div.
Both are better academics than most sec.
Aggie has nice football tradition. Missouri won football already and they hoop nicely.
They fit just fine.
Move missouri to west. Bama to east. Bama plays aubie every year. Bama can play utk because in east. Everybody happy.
Missouri should be in west div.
Both are better academics than most sec.
Aggie has nice football tradition. Missouri won football already and they hoop nicely.
They fit just fine.
Move missouri to west. Bama to east. Bama plays aubie every year. Bama can play utk because in east. Everybody happy.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:47 pm to WestCoastAg
Biggest negative is easily the loss of the Big East in men's hoops.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Plus, Aggy and Mizzou don't make much sense...
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:54 pm to WestCoastAg
It really did screw up a lot of classic rivalries. The Backyard Brawl, OU/Nebraska, Texas/Texas A&M. Hell, Colorado/Nebraska as well.
West Virginia in the Big 12 is weird. Maryland and Rutgers in the Big Ten is weird. Colorado in the Pac 12 is weird. Missouri and TAMU in the SEC...just no.
Money is the root of all evil.
Hell, I miss the old Big East with Miami, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech.
West Virginia in the Big 12 is weird. Maryland and Rutgers in the Big Ten is weird. Colorado in the Pac 12 is weird. Missouri and TAMU in the SEC...just no.
Money is the root of all evil.
Hell, I miss the old Big East with Miami, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:15 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:none of those schools are the actual old big East
Hell, I miss the old Big East with Miami, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:51 pm to crazycubes
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Big 10: the Big 10 was known for schools with great academics , now? Not so much. But again, way more market share and revenue coming in. Big 10 sold their academic soul for sports $$$ (not that that's a bad thing, just saying ).
Huh? Ok, maybe Nebraska since they were dropped from AAU status shortly after joining the BIG. Maryland and Rutgers are top notch AAU research schools. If anything the BIG added some academic powerhouses.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:55 pm to CaptainBrannigan
The dirty little secret is that all these moves were made in order to make more and more money. In order to keep that money train rolling you have to "invest" in your profitable businesses, I.e. football and basketball.
Why this huge appetite for money? It takes a lot of money to fund dead weight women's athletic programs. Have you seen how much money women's sports lose? There are very few athletic departments that operate in the black and do not need institutional support.
TL;DR - Blame it all on Title 9.
Why this huge appetite for money? It takes a lot of money to fund dead weight women's athletic programs. Have you seen how much money women's sports lose? There are very few athletic departments that operate in the black and do not need institutional support.
TL;DR - Blame it all on Title 9.
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