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re: There is no such thing as a "quality" loss
Posted on 12/5/13 at 1:52 pm to benhamin5555
Posted on 12/5/13 at 1:52 pm to benhamin5555
quote:They won it fair and square. Get over it. They were #2 on Selection Sunday because they should have been #2 on Selection Sunday.
Bama fans love to use it to justify their 2011 NC that they didn't deserve
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 1:53 pm to PrimetimeDaBoss
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This thread sucks.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:00 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:They got in because they were the 2nd best team in the country. What is it that is keeping you people from getting this two years later?
2011 Bama goes 1-1 against quality teams and loses their division, but the "quality loss" and "eyeball test" arguments get them into a national title game (along with being a college football blueblood/media darling) when they weren't the best team of 6 over a 12 game sample size.
quote:Because they weren't one of the two best teams in the country.
Meanwhile a conference champion with a better resume gets left out because their double overtime loss was worse.
What you call the "eyeball test" in this case is actually a very telling stat that swayed a lot of voters and should have swayed a lot of voters:
Ratio of points scored to points allowed, 2011 regular season:
Alabama 4.07
Oklahoma State 1.91
Alabama was better. The better team got to be #2. It's very easy to understand.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:02 pm to benhamin5555
You are a dumb head.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:05 pm to ballscaster
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They got in because they were the 2nd best team in the country.
Then why do we even have conferences or a regular season?
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:12 pm to lsu2006
quote:Fun and fraternity.
Then why do we even have conferences
quote:Because people like to play football.
or a regular season?
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:15 pm to ballscaster
quote:
Fun and fraternity.
Right quote:
Because people like to play football.
Even if the games don't mean anything. Sweet.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:16 pm to lsu2006
quote:No, they mean everything. Without them, we wouldn't have any way to determine who gets into the national championship. If not for the regular season, how else did Alabama prove that they were one of the nation's two best?
Even if the games don't mean anything. Sweet.
It's easy to understand. You don't need to be frustrated.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:21 pm to ballscaster
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It's easy to understand. You don't need to be frustrated.
I'm not frustrated. I just see no reason why LSU and Alabama would play in the regular season if Bama can lose and it doesn't matter. As long as enough people think they're "better" and as long as they're still Bama (brand name) it doesn't matter if they don't even win their division. Meanwhile Okie State wins their conference and also has one loss with a schedule of essentially equal merits(deemed a "worse loss"??) but isn't given a chance. Just doesn't add up to me.
This has been hashed out so much, I don't know why I'm even getting involved to be honest. I just want to know if the importance of the regular season and taking care of business in your conference applies to everyone or just to whoever the media wants it to apply to. I'm thinking it's the latter.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:26 pm to ballscaster
When are people going to realize that it's about accomplishments, not just who is the best on paper.
I don't care if you're as good as the Denver Broncos, if you can't win your conference you shouldn't be in the national championship game. It just doesn't make any sense, at all. This is not the NFL. There aren't supposed to be wild cards or mulligans in CFB. That's what makes it special.
I don't care if you're as good as the Denver Broncos, if you can't win your conference you shouldn't be in the national championship game. It just doesn't make any sense, at all. This is not the NFL. There aren't supposed to be wild cards or mulligans in CFB. That's what makes it special.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:27 pm to lsu2006
quote:Nor should you. Bama's loss absolutely mattered.
I just see no reason why LSU and Alabama would play in the regular season if Bama can lose and it doesn't matter.
quote:They were mathematically better. The voters' opinions were concurrent with math. Already dealt with.
As long as enough people think they're "better"
quote:Irrelevant.
they're still Bama (brand name)
quote:Correct. Winning your conference or division has nothing to do with this. Winning your conference only refers to a fraction of your season, and not every team is in a conference or a division.
it doesn't matter if they don't even win their division.
quote:Then try harder. Two teams were neck and neck. One team scored four times as much as their opponents, and another team scored two times as much as their opponents. Who do you think is going to get the nod?
Meanwhile Okie State wins their conference and also has one loss with a schedule of essentially equal merits(deemed a "worse loss"??) but isn't given a chance. Just doesn't add up to me.
quote:Because you're not over it like you should be.
This has been hashed out so much, I don't know why I'm even getting involved to be honest.
quote:You're wrong.
I just want to know if the importance of the regular season and taking care of business in your conference applies to everyone or just to whoever the media wants it to apply to. I'm thinking it's the latter.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:30 pm to benhamin5555
quote:You're wrong. It makes perfect sense. You just aren't comprehending it.
I don't care if you're as good as the Denver Broncos, if you can't win your conference you shouldn't be in the national championship game. It just doesn't make any sense, at all.
Winning your conference refers to a fraction of your season. When determining the top two teams in the country, do you think we should look at a fraction of the season or the entire season?
Also, not every team is in a conference. Therefore, requiring a conference championship would be a rule that applies to some teams but not all teams. When determining the top two teams in the country, do you think we should apply different rules to different teams, or do you think we should apply the same rules to all teams?
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:30 pm to ballscaster
Your whole argument is based on stats. Stats don't mean shite if you don't win.
Also, if you deny that the name and prestige of Bama did not influence the voters to vote for them at all, you're delusional. I'm sorry.
Also, if you deny that the name and prestige of Bama did not influence the voters to vote for them at all, you're delusional. I'm sorry.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:32 pm to ballscaster
The issues I have: is it best team or most deserving team? Bc eyeball tests are subjective and upsets do happen. Otherwise why play the games? Just look at recruiting rosters and draft predictions. No one thought OSU could beat Miami and no one thought Fla would beat OSU. Eyeball test probably gives us USC v UGA in 2007.
Most deserving team is more objective although still not always clear. Fla deserved a shot in 2006, LSU in 2007, and okie in 2011.
Most deserving team is more objective although still not always clear. Fla deserved a shot in 2006, LSU in 2007, and okie in 2011.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:33 pm to benhamin5555
quote:Wins and losses are stats.
Your whole argument is based on stats. Stats don't mean shite if you don't win.
quote:Irrelevant.
Also, if you deny that the name and prestige of Bama did not influence the voters to vote for them at all, you're delusional. I'm sorry.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:33 pm to ballscaster
quote:
Nor should you. Bama's loss absolutely mattered.
Yeah, except it didn't. At least it mattered way less than the one that OSU had.
quote:
They were mathematically better.
Based off computer polls?
quote:
Irrelevant.
Trying to tell me that if the roles were reversed and LSU lost to Bama in Tiger Stadium that we would get the same do-over? Get real, man.
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Winning your conference or division has nothing to do with this.
Why does it not? How can you be the best in the country and not the best in your conference? Completely illogical.
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One team scored four times as much as their opponents, and another team scored two times as much as their opponents. Who do you think is going to get the nod?
The team that won its conference and didn't already lose at to the other team in the NC game (that happens to be in their same division and conference).
quote:
You're wrong.
Thanks for the reality check
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:36 pm to biglego
quote:It isn't necessarily either. It's the #1 and #2 team. Those two teams are the teams with the highest BCS scores.
The issues I have: is it best team or most deserving team?
quote:Each poll had #1 tOSU #2 LSU. Polls are eyeball tests.
Eyeball test probably gives us USC v UGA in 2007.
quote:Of course they did. They were #2.
Fla deserved a shot in 2006
quote:Yep. #2.
LSU in 2007
quote:Not at all. Not in the top 2. Not good enough.
and okie in 2011.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:38 pm to ballscaster
Now you're just dodging all of his points. This is silly
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:40 pm to ballscaster
You're acting like the BCS is some type of Omniscient all-seeing eye.
"BCS SAID IT; MUST BE TRUE"
"BCS SAID IT; MUST BE TRUE"
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:40 pm to benhamin5555
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Now you're just dodging all of his points. This is silly
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