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re: "The Worst Rule in Football" still needs to be changed.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:01 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:01 pm to Korkstand
quote:No, you just still don't get it. The team that downs a ball in an end zone loses possession.
So your endzone-owner argument holds zero weight.
quote:Because you don't get it.
it makes so much sense, then why is there so much debate about it?
quote:Melt
You're a fricking joke.
Nothing Blandino tweeted confirms that he agrees with you.
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:04 pm to Korkstand
quote:Because it's a touchback.
Exactly, so why do you want to transform one inch into 20 yards?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:06 pm to Korkstand
quote:Because this one is a touchback.
How about handling it like every other forward fumble out of bounds?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:17 pm to ballscaster
quote:No, you don't understand your own argument, probably because it has so many holes.
No, you just still don't get it. The team that downs a ball in an end zone loses possession.
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Because you don't get it.
quote:Nice response. I know it's hard to argue with the NFL VP of Officiating on this topic, but you could at least try.
Melt
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:18 pm to Rich Kotite
quote:
A yard and a half isn't that big of a difference. If the defense jumps offsides it still moves outside the 5.
It's a huge difference when you get a 10yd penalty just past the 10
quote:
I just think there are more important rules that need adjusting.
There are, but the rule is still pretty dumb
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:20 pm to Korkstand
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This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:21 pm to ballscaster
quote:
Nothing Blandino tweeted confirms that he agrees with you.
What?! He said, and I quote:quote:
2 years in a row in this game with a fumble forward into EZ for a touch back. All other forward fumbles OB come back to spot of fumble.
quote:
you're right. (in response to "fumble out of endzone becoming a turnover touchback is the most punitive, arbitrary and unfair rule in all of sports")
quote:
been discussed in the past and has merit. Will be part of general rules review during offseason.
You're fricking delusional.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:22 pm to ballscaster
quote:"It is because it is" is not a valid argument.quote:Because it's a touchback.
Exactly, so why do you want to transform one inch into 20 yards?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:22 pm to Korkstand
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This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:40 pm to Korkstand
quote:To this:
Nice response.
quote:My argument has zero holes since my argument is consistent with the rule book.
You're a fricking joke.
quote:He hasn't even disagreed with me, according to the information you've provided.
I know it's hard to argue with the NFL VP of Officiating
What you don't understand is that when a ball is fumbled, kicked, or downed in the end zone possession is forfeited except in the case of an incomplete pass. When you fumble out of bounds, obviously we have to determine who shall possess the ball for the next play from scrimmage. When a player fumbles the ball and it goes out of his opponent's end zone, he has forfeited possession, and the ball has been downed into an opponent's end zone. It only makes sense to declare that the opponent shall possess the ball. If a player fumbles out of his own end zone, that is a safety, so there are points awarded and a free kick in order.
If a player fumbles and it goes out of bounds in between the goal lines (neutral territory), it makes sense that the team who has most recently possessed the ball shall possess it for the next scrimmage play.
If you don't get it, you're stupid. If you don't like it, too bad. It makes perfect sense, and if that makes you angry enough to melt, I don't know what to tell you. I'd put a titty in your mouth if I could.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:40 pm to ballscaster
quote:The question is WHY is this one a touchback?! There is no reason for it to be a touchback, other than that's what someone decided on way back when without putting much thought into it because it happens on such a rare occasion.quote:Because this one is a touchback.
How about handling it like every other forward fumble out of bounds?
It just fails very basic tests of logic. In all cases, the ball can't be advanced by fumbling forward. You actually have to create a special case that says "unless you fumble forward into the endzone, in which case it can be advanced and then promptly turned over". Also, in order to have possession, a team must gain possession of the ball while it's in play (whether via fumble, INT, or turnover on downs), or it has to receive a kick (in which case the other team is giving possession away). Here again you have to create a special case for gaining possession via fumble out of endzone.
Here's the bottom line: yeah, the endzone is a special area of the field, but a fumble IN the endzone still must be recovered by someone. OOB is also a special area. But why is OOB in the endzone special X 2 ? It's not. The endzone is the endzone, and out of bounds is out of bounds.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:41 pm to Korkstand
quote:Not what I said. I simply casually referred to the touchback rule.
"It is because it is" is not a valid argument.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:41 pm to Korkstand
quote:Because it was downed in the end zone and it isn't a safety.
The question is WHY is this one a touchback?!
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:42 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:No, he also said that the statement "fumble out of endzone becoming a turnover touchback is the most punitive, arbitrary and unfair rule in all of sports" is correct.
All he said was that the argument has merit and that a rule change will be discussed, right?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:43 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:I'm not worked up, I just like to argue.
Why are you getting worked up over this?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:45 pm to Korkstand
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This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:02 pm to ballscaster
quote:The rule book is riddled with holes! If that is your standard, then your opinion doesn't really matter.
My argument has zero holes since my argument is consistent with the rule book.
quote:No, I understand.
What you don't understand is that when a ball is fumbled, kicked, or downed in the end zone possession is forfeited except in the case of an incomplete pass.
quote:And it should be pretty simple, really: the team who last possessed the ball.
When you fumble out of bounds, obviously we have to determine who shall possess the ball for the next play from scrimmage.
quote:Here is where you make a HUGE logical leap. Why is fumbling out of the opponent's endzone a forfeiture of possession? In every other case, the ball cannot be advanced via fumble. If you fumble forward out of bounds, the runner is ruled down where he lost the ball because the ball was not downed by anyone after the fumble.
When a player fumbles the ball and it goes out of his opponent's end zone, he has forfeited possession, and the ball has been downed into an opponent's end zone.
quote:Except that it makes zero sense whatsoever that the opponent be granted possession "just because".
It only makes sense to declare that the opponent shall possess the ball.
quote:If a team is backed up and being defended against so well that a fumble out of the endzone is a safety, great, that defense earned those points and possession. However, if the defense is playing so poorly that they allow the opponent to march down the field and nearly score, why should they also be rewarded for such poor play that was only saved by luck of the bounce?
If a player fumbles out of his own end zone, that is a safety, so there are points awarded and a free kick in order.
quote:I could say the same to you.
If you don't get it, you're stupid.
quote:1. It makes zero sense
If you don't like it, too bad. It makes perfect sense, and if that makes you angry enough to melt, I don't know what to tell you.
2. I'm not melting, I'm having fun
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:07 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:When the opponent responds to a strong logical argument with "melt" and "this is football", sometimes you have to break out the advanced arguing techniques that involve stronger language.
When the argument devolves into insults and cursing, I'd say it's fallen into the "worked up" category.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:08 pm to Korkstand
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This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:10 pm to ballscaster
quote:And in doing so, you made the case that it's a touchback because it's a touchback. You made no attempt whatsoever to explain why it should be a touchback. My interpretation of your statement is spot-on.quote:Not what I said. I simply casually referred to the touchback rule.
"It is because it is" is not a valid argument.
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