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The Real Reason Paul wanted out of LA? Doc and Austin Rivers

Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:53 pm
This is according to Michael Eaves who's a SportsCenter anchor and apparently well connected to the Clippers
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Paul's relationship with Doc Rivers started to deteriorate rapidly after the Clippers acquired Austin Rivers. Several members of the team felt Austin acted entitled because his dad was both the coach and the President of Basketball Operations. In the view of the tenured players, Austin Rivers never tried to fit in, and when players tried to address the situation with him, he still did not respond the way the core of the team wanted him to. It led to resentment within the locker room, which often played out during games.

One of Paul's biggest contentions with Doc was that Paul, and other players, felt Doc treated Austin more favorably than other players. He would yell at guys for certain things during games and practices, but not get on Austin in the same manner for similar transgressions.

But what really solidified Paul's dissatisfaction with Doc was a proposed trade involving Carmelo Anthony last season. New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin Rivers, a deal to which Rivers ultimately said no. That event led Paul to feel that keeping his son on the roster was more important to Doc than improving the team. So, ultimately, Paul lost both trust and faith in Doc. As one league executive put it, "Chris despises Doc." (I was also told that when Paul met with the team to inform them of his plans, Jerry West was not in attendance. It was only Doc and Lawrence Frank.)


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This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 8:11 am
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:54 pm to
None of this really surprises me
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:54 pm to
So Big Baby was right.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:55 pm to
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But what really solidified Paul's dissatisfaction with Doc was a proposed trade involving Carmelo Anthony last season. New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin Rivers, a deal to which Rivers ultimately said no.


That's a fireable offense if this is true.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:56 pm to
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But what really solidified Paul's dissatisfaction with Doc was a proposed trade involving Carmelo Anthony last season. New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin Rivers, a deal to which Rivers ultimately said no
GM Doc gonna GM Doc?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41187 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:57 pm to
so is Doc worse at being a coach or GM?
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:57 pm to
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New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin Rivers, a deal to which Rivers ultimately said no
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
88772 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:57 pm to
If that Trade report is true, Doc shouldn't be in a Front Office role. In my opinion he should've been in one in the first place. He proved nothing to get that job. Ainge pulled the KG trade, not him
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:59 pm to
I dont believe this one bit. Nobody would possibly turn that trade down.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:01 pm to
Hmm... so he decided to abandon everyone when it would have been just as easy to force Doc out?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:02 pm to
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Nobody would possibly turn that trade down.

i dunno

Doc has about as good of a record as GM as Billy King
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:03 pm to
Weird cause i can relate to Doc in the coaching situation of one of your children. I assist coaching in t ball and soft ball for my girl and boy. And I too treated them differently than the other players. When other kids frick up, i encourage and support them and try to make them better. When my kids frick up, i slap their heads, curse them out and call them a fricking embarrassment to the family name on the field.
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10396 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:08 pm to
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New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin River


My god. We really need a book with all the dumb shite Phil tried to pull in his stint with the Knicks.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:10 pm to
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I dont believe this one bit. Nobody would possibly turn that trade down.


Idk, i could see doc rationalizing this by saying there were "chemistry" reasons he turned it down.

You also have to realize that not just Austin Rivers was in that deal, but his good buddy Paul Pierce AND Jamal Crawford who he had also coached for a long time whom he probably shared a nice relationship with.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:12 pm to
this is why you don't work with family
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61247 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

Hmm... so he decided to abandon everyone when it would have been just as easy to force Doc out?


With the amount of time left in his career, I don't see how that would have been a favorable road for him to travel down. That wouldn't help the roster out in the next 2 years. Fact is, the clippers plateaued, and the main parts of that team are now finally conceding this is the case whether Doc was the issue or not.
Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
5872 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:19 pm to
Makes it even better in that CP3 wanted Doc
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13533 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:57 pm to
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Big Baby was right.


What did Big Baby have to say about the Clips culture?
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13533 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:58 pm to
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is Doc worse at being a coach or GM?




Hands down he is a worse GM. At least coach Doc is a good out of bounds set play caller.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29038 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:01 pm to
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Sasha Vujacic


I didn't even know he was still in the league.
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