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re: The NFL has upheld Tom Brady's 4 game suspension
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:42 pm to Whiznot
Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:42 pm to Whiznot
That article assumed Brady was using hangouts (which isn't the default texting app for Samsung devices), then speculates about how the data could be recovered if he had an iPhone instead of the Samsung he had.
Brady told the nfl he destroyed the phone and sim card, as is his ordinary course, and that they had checked with his carrier to see if the texts could be recovered, but were told they couldn't.
Also, he waited until right before the appeals hearing to do this.
Brady told the nfl he destroyed the phone and sim card, as is his ordinary course, and that they had checked with his carrier to see if the texts could be recovered, but were told they couldn't.
Also, he waited until right before the appeals hearing to do this.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 1:56 pm
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:09 pm to WDE24
Ted Wells on his report said he never needed the phone and that Brady cooperated. So what's he suspended for.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 7:42 pm to Whiznot
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The NFL has upheld Tom Brady's 4 game suspension
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Here is a Wired.com link for all the idiots who are buying the bullshite coming from Roger Goodell and the NFL. For those of you who are too slow to go and read the whole article, destroying a cell phone does not destroy any evidence. It only destroys the device.
The idiots at ESPN should all be fired. Goodell should be fired.
Goodell botched the whole thing with the saints a few years back with the whole bountygate thing. I wouldn't be surprised if he is doing the same thing here.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:45 pm to WalkingTurtles
quote:Giving away memorabilia in exchange for the balls being deflated?
So what's he suspended for.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:15 am to WDE24
So aside from all the regular deflategate drama....any keeping up with the Mort drama?
He was supposed to clear up his report that started this shitstorm on WEEI, and then abruptly canceled today
Interested to see some of the inter media workings here. Hope he doesn't get to just ignore it til it goes away. Atleast he admits in that memo that the whole story has been a clusterfrick of reporting including his own
He was supposed to clear up his report that started this shitstorm on WEEI, and then abruptly canceled today
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Apparently, only 11 of 12 reminders about his WEEI appearance to Chris Mortensen went through.
Mortensen was scheduled to appear on the Dennis & Callahan show at 7:45 a.m. ET, but he has canceled. “You guys made a mistake by drumming up business for the show and how I would address my reporting for the first time,” Mortensen informed WEEI.
“I will not allow WEEI, [Patriots owner Robert] Kraft or anybody to make me the centerpiece of a story that has been misreported far beyond anything I did in the first 48 hours. Maybe when the lawsuit is settled, in Brady’s favor, I hope, we can revisit. Don’t call.”
They tried to call him anyway. No answer.
I like and respect Mort. As Adam Schefter of ESPN said on WEEI on Thursday, Mortensen is a pioneer in this business. But his false report should be the centerpiece of the story. Because without that false report there is no story. More specifically, without that false report, there is no finding of cheating. The false report instantly changed the narrative from “the NFL checked the Patriots footballs at halftime” to “someone deflated 11 of the 12 the Patriots footballs by two pounds each; what did Brady and Belichick know?” It made another Ted Wells investigation logical, it put the Patriots on the defensive, and it kept the Patriots from responding to the accurate PSI readings by pointing out that, on one of the two air-pressure gauges used, they fall squarely within the range expected by the Ideal Gas Law.
On Thursday, Schefter suggested that Mort was given false information by one or more high-level NFL officials. On Tuesday, the circumstances suggested that Stephen A. Smith of ESPN was given true information by one or more high-level NFL officials to introduce to the public the notion that “Tom Brady destroyed his cellphone.”
This would be a perfect topic for an ESPN Outside the Lines investigation as to how the NFL manipulated the media on multiple occasions for P.R. purposes. If only a couple of prominent ESPN employees hadn’t been pulled into this mess.
Interested to see some of the inter media workings here. Hope he doesn't get to just ignore it til it goes away. Atleast he admits in that memo that the whole story has been a clusterfrick of reporting including his own
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 10:17 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:29 pm to wildtigercat93
Goodell, the NFL, ESPN and Mort have all been exposed as liars. All of ESPN's heads are about a mile up Roger Goodell's arse. The reputation of the NFL is being destroyed and the same is happening to ESPN.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:49 pm to Whiznot
NFLPA and the NFL have asked the courts to set a decision date for 9/4, before the regular season starts in order to avoid filing for an Injuction.
Both sides must be pretty confident. Interesting development
Both sides must be pretty confident. Interesting development
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:51 pm to wildtigercat93
The Pats also released an email communication between them and the league office that shows that the league acknowledged the leaks but did not correct them
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ETA and more mort drama
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ETA and more mort drama
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John Dennis of WEEI reports, via Tom Curran of CSNNE.com, that one of Mortensen’s “main sources” for the false report was NFL V.P. of game operations Mike Kensil. Curran reported more than six months ago that Kensil, a former Jets employee whose father once was the team’s president, was the “driving force” behind the investigation. During a Thursday appearance on WEEI, Adam Schefter of ESPN seemed to suggest that Mortensen had multiple sources. Regardless of the total number, the information was false — and the report caused #DeflateGate to morph from a curiosity to, eventually, a federal case. Before it became a federal case, it became a supposedly independent investigation. However independent the investigation was (or wasn’t), it wasn’t sufficiently independent to prompt Ted Wells to turn the focus back against the league for its potentially dissemination of false information to ESPN — and for its failure to immediately correct the information.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 3:20 pm to wildtigercat93
It has now been reported that the source of the false information leaked to Mort was NFL V.P. of game operations Mike Kensil who was formerly an official with the New York Jets.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:35 pm to WDE24
Pats released the e-mails 
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:59 pm to wildtigercat93
Haha I just read that email exchange and I can only imagine how bitchy Robyn Glaser was in the next email.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:58 pm to Whiznot
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It has now been reported that the source of the false information leaked to Mort was NFL V.P. of game operations Mike Kensil who was formerly an official with the New York Jets.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:10 pm to Jcorye1
quote:I'm not really sure why that's a big deal. Tom is a smart guy; he should be able to infer that an entity that does not function under the "innocent until proven guilty" premise may--or may not--hold that against him. Regardless, it's not like investigators have to spell out every decision that may or may not be lead to a harsher punishment. In other words, it sounds like a bit of a diversion.
Ted Wells stepping in more shite.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:20 pm to buckeye_vol
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I'm not really sure why that's a big deal. Tom is a smart guy; he should be able to infer that an entity that does not function under the "innocent until proven guilty" premise may--or may not--hold that against him. Regardless, it's not like investigators have to spell out every decision that may or may not be lead to a harsher punishment. In other words, it sounds like a bit of a diversion.
Except that's what the NFL got waxed on with the AP decision.
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The crux of the issue was the application of the enhanced personal conduct policy, increasing a suspension for players involved with domestic violence from two games to six games. Because that was implemented after the injuries occurred to Peterson's son, delivered by a wooden switch that Peterson was using for discipline, the union contended that the prior standard of punishment should apply.
"Our collective bargaining agreement has rules for implementation of the personal conduct policy and when those rules are violated, our union always stands up to protect our players' rights," Smith said. "This is yet another example why neutral arbitration is good for our players, good for the owners and good for our game."
Equipment violations are a 25k fine, and there is no prior history of suspensions for refusal to provide cell phone information.
I'm enjoying these court documents.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:38 pm to WalkingTurtles
quote:is Ted Wells the commissioner? If I was Brady, I would have cooperated with that man
Ted Wells on his report said he never needed the phone and that Brady cooperated. So what's he suspended for
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:39 pm to jeff5891
Well, now that the transcripts are out, you can read for yourself how Kessler was just destroying Goodell, Vincent, and Ted Wells.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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he should be able to infer that an entity that does not function under the "innocent until proven guilty" premise may--or may not--hold that against him. Regardless, it's not like investigators have to spell out every decision that may or may not be lead to a harsher punishment. In other words, it sounds like a bit of a diversion.
Except, that's exactly why there is due process. You can't move the goalposts or hide what you are punishing people for. It's like one of the most fundamental bases of justice. That's why Goodell keeps getting his arse waxed in court. You can't retroactively apply punishments under different sets of rules. That's what Syria does.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:54 pm to Jcorye1
quote:But what does Ted Wells, as the investigator, have to do with the punishment side of this? That's not within the scope of his job duties. If and/or where the NFL erred in their punishment,Ted Wells not telling Brady what could impact the punishment is not one of them. It's a bit of a red herring.
Except that's what the NFL got waxed on with the AP decision.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:01 pm to Jcorye1
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Q. Okay. So let’s go, let’s start with your slide deck. The first slide shows your three key findings. And if you could just sort of walk the Commissioner through each of the three key findings that you made and that we will elaborate on.
A. So first finding is that their analysis of the difference in differences, the analysis of the pressure drops and the difference in the average pressure drops is wrong because Exponent did not include timing and the effects of timing in that analysis.
Secondly, Exponent looked at the variation and the measurements between the Patriots’ balls and the Colts’ balls at halftime. They compared the variances. And despite conceding that there was no statistically significant difference between the two, they went ahead and drew conclusions, but those conclusions are improper.
And, last, and this goes to the issue of alternative assumptions, as well as error, if the logo gauge was used to measure the Patriots’ balls before the game, then given what the framework that Exponent provides us with scientifically, and if the analysis is done correctly, eight of the eleven Patriots’ balls are above the relevant scientific threshold.
Just laying waste to their "scientific" findings
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