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re: The Lakers will have $76M in cap space when the Kobe Era ends

Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:21 am to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:21 am to
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because the Lakers didn't choose him over Kobe
he was gone before that. he never wanted to be in LA and i think he made that pretty clear
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because Kobe was there
or because the team and the franchise was a mess. funny how apparently no one wants to play with kobe when that never seemed to be that big of an issue before. i wonder whats different
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the over 36 rule prohibits more than a two year extension. It would have been impossible for the Lakers to do a longer contract (which most Lakers fans should probably be grateful for IMO).
if you actually think we would have given kobe more than two years then i dont know what to tell you
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After he is gone? I agree. Until he leaves? No. He's in the Jordan on the Wizards phase of his career arc.

so what is it? is it kobes contract that is fricking the lakers or is it kobe? because kobes contract is no longer an issue. it was last offseason when nothing was going to happen anyway, but it isnt anymore. so if we still arent going to sign talent in the next offseason, i guess kobes contract isnt the issue.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:37 am to
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he never wanted to be in LA



No. He never wanted to be in LA with Kobe holding onto the reigns as the #1 who gave him no respect.

The whole idea of bringing him to the Lakers was they were going to have him take over as the new #1 and a torch would be passed. But that couldn't happen because Kobe wanted no part of that scenario.

I'm not going to say Howard is any more sympathetic than Kobe since both are probably not very nice people to co-exist with... but if you wanted to make a play for the future then you go with Howard.

Links to the same effect:

kobe wouldn't pass torch, Lakers reneg on promise

howard wouldn't sign if kobe were going to be extended

Without Kobe they would have signed Howard and might have picked up Chris Paul from free agency. Paul was interested in being in Los Angeles and without Kobe he'd have a big man to pair with on the most appealing franchise in the NBA.

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funny how apparently no one wants to play with kobe when that never seemed to be that big of an issue before. i wonder whats different


he's old, broken down, obstinate, and unwilling to step aside to let a younger player lead.

it happens to some of the best in the game unfortunately. Jordan being an easy example.

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if you actually think we would have given kobe more than two years then i dont know what to tell you


what defense does Lakers management have against an assumption they would? there was no reason to give him as much money as they did.

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is it kobes contract that is fricking the lakers or is it kobe?


both. until he is gone or massively changes his entire attitude. it is jordan on the wizards behavior and sad to see for an all time great player... but he's not alone.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:41 am to
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No. He never wanted to be in LA with Kobe holding onto the reigns as the #1 who gave him no respect.

and he never wanted to be in LA to begin with because he never liked kobe. there are reasons why whenever he stated the teams he wanted to be traded to during the season, the lakers never came up as one of those. dwight was never going to resign with the lakers unless we could bring in lebron james or carmelo which we never had a chance to do so for multiple reasons. dwight was never resigning with the lakers with or without kobe. that was clear as shite and the FO fricked up by not getting any type of return from him
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might have picked up Chris Paul from free agency.
thats a huge fricking stretch
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he's old, broken down, obstinate, and unwilling to step aside to let a younger player lead.

how do we know this if he has never been given an opportunity to play with a young player who was good enough to give the lead to? this isnt paul pierce on the wizards with john wall and bradley beal. or tim duncan with kwahi leonard
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both

This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 12:45 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:46 am to
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what defense does Lakers management have against an assumption they would? there was no reason to give him as much money as they did.

weve been eyeing these next two free agency cycles since the whole dwight howard situation went down. thats why we are basically free of all salary obligations this upcoming offseason. we will have like four or five players on the books after this season. even if we could, we wouldnt have fricked that up by giving kobe a long term deal
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 12:48 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36105 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:52 am to
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he never wanted to be in LA to begin with because he never liked kobe.


that dislike was obviously two way. and the thing to do with that situation is to keep the more valuable player with productive time left in his career.

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unless we could bring in lebron james or carmelo which we never had a chance to do so for multiple reasons.


the only important reason with respect to this point is kobe's contract made it a mathematical impossibility.

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given an opportunity to play with a young player who was good enough to give the lead to


like it or not that player was howard. he lacks the mythology or achievements of kobe but at their respective stages of their careers this is a no brainer.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145075 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 12:56 am to
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that dislike was obviously two way. and the thing to do with that situation is to keep the more valuable player with productive time left in his career.

which makes sense if he wanted to be here, he didnt, he made that clear, he would have stayed if the nba didnt veto the chris paul trade, or if we got rid of kobe and then turned around and signed lebron or carmelo except that wasnt going to happen
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the only important reason with respect to this point is kobe's contract made it a mathematical impossibility.

and that only matters if it actually takes away a realistic situation. but it didnt. and it wont next year. except we are fricked then also because then, its an issue of kobe himself and not the contract right?
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like it or not that player was howard. he lacks the mythology or achievements of kobe but at their respective stages of their careers this is a no brainer.

thank god we didnt. these last two years have sucked, but we are in a good position to have a solid young corps in okafor/kat, jordan clarkson, and julius randle to build around solid free agency signings like tobias harris or khris middleton and then pair with a major free agency signing like russell westbrook or kevin durant or possibly jimmy butler if he somehow doesnt receive a max contract from chicago which is unlikely
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 12:59 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36105 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 1:10 am to
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if it actually takes away a realistic situation. but it didnt.



it certainly did. none of the recently available all pros were going to the Lakers with the Kobe contract/attitude

without kobe it easily could have been paul and howard leading the lakers into the playoffs. Howard and paul were apparently talking and potentially interested in pairing up in L.A. That would have been obviously better and doesn't even get into the possibility of lebron giving the lakers a real look without kobe.

JMO but Kobe wouldn't have been willing to pass the reigns on to even Lebron and I don't think that's a controversial opinion, just a recognition of how competitive Kobe remains... even as his age has overtaken him.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 1:15 am to
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it certainly did. none of the recently available all pros were going to the Lakers with the Kobe contract/attitude
we can just keep saying this over and over, or we can recognize that no one was signing with the Lakers because the lakers were going to be bad these next two years and nothing could have changed that. Even with Dwight, we weren't signing anything these last two offseasons. I don't see how this is so hard to understand
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without kobe it easily could have been paul and howard leading the lakers into the playoffs

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Howard and paul were apparently talking and potentially interested in pairing up in L.A.
you mean the rumor that was thrown around prior to the fricking lockout? You do know there were also those rumors about them playing for the knicks and the nets right?
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JMO but Kobe wouldn't have been willing to pass the reigns on to even Lebron and I don't think that's a controversial opinion
and that's stupid since he has never been given a real opportunity to do so. Especially now when he is starting to say he wants what the spurs have had. You can keep saying that Dwight was his chance to do so, but Dwight never wanted to be there and the current kobe is not the same as 2012/2013 kobe
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 1:16 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36105 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:11 am to
Do you honestly think Kobe would defer to Lebron if they were on the same team? I just don't see anything in his career in the NBA or his personality that makes that a reasonable belief.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 3:04 am to
five years ago? hell no. if they were playing together next year? yea i can see it. he knows this is it for him
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36105 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 3:08 am to
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if they were playing together next year? yea i can see it. he knows this is it for him



well, we fundamentally disagree then. I don't think he would take a back seat under any circumstances and I don't think there's any good evidence to point to any flexibility on this point.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145075 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 3:43 am to
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en. I don't think he would take a back seat under any circumstances
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
107462 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 7:49 am to
I don't think the Lakers really want to build, they'd rather trade their young guys & buy established talent. I think Kevin Love would like to start over, and maybe the Lakers could go after DeAndre Jordan to mess with the Clips.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:33 am to
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weve been eyeing these next two free agency cycles since the whole dwight howard situation went down.




Buss Jr isnt that smart neither is Kupchek. Lakers are Fricked for a minimum of 5 more years thanks to Kobe

Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
28364 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:44 am to
The Buss Family has run the Lakers franchise into the ground
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8328 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:48 am to
This is what screwed the Lakers organization.

This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 9:44 am
Posted by NorthGAVol
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:50 am to
Bingo.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36402 posts
Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:51 am to
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I don't think the Lakers really want to build, they'd rather trade their young guys & buy established talent


agreed. it's their MO.
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