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The concept of “eye test” needs to die in a fire
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:27 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:27 am
I hate when commentators use this stupid buzz phrase. It make me angry every time I hear it. It means absolutely nothing other than your own personal bias and opinions. It could also be called “playing politics”.
The eye test is basically the human element that so often screws everything up and corrupts systems. We’ve seen examples of this corruption with the CFP. We don’t need more human bias and corruption. We need facts and objective standards to measure things against.
The eye test is basically the human element that so often screws everything up and corrupts systems. We’ve seen examples of this corruption with the CFP. We don’t need more human bias and corruption. We need facts and objective standards to measure things against.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 9:31 am
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:28 am to cbree88
While we’re at it can we add:
Blue bloods
Mount Rushmore
Blue bloods
Mount Rushmore
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:07 am to cbree88
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The eye test is basically the human element that so often screws everything up and corrupts systems. We’ve seen examples of this corruption with the CFP. We don’t need more human bias and corruption. We need facts and objective standards to measure things against.
Now, if we let you have the BCS back, you can't get rid of again. Okay?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:12 am to cbree88
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The concept of “eye test” needs to die in a fire
The “eye test” saves us from computers who only think in code and algorithms
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:16 am to cbree88
It's incredibly discriminatory against the visually impaired.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:32 am to cbree88
"best team" vs. "most deserving" is the single dumbest argument in all of sports, and obviously mainly occurs in college football, but college bball as well.
it should be "most deserving" 1000000000% of the time. that's the entire point.
it should be "most deserving" 1000000000% of the time. that's the entire point.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:43 am to cbree88
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We need facts and objective standards to measure things against.
Which you don't really have in college sports...which is why a subjective criteria remains.
In the NFL you have one league, two conferences, 4 divisions in each conference. The teams in each division play 6 games vs. one another. Every franchise in the league is essentially on equal footing so you can "chose" your playoff teams objectively.
But look at college football. Not every conference is equal. For example, lets say we get to the end of next season and the committee is selecting the playoff teams. Vying for the last spot is 10-2 Florida vs. 11-1 North Carolina.
Florida went 10-2 vs: Miami, Samford, A&M, @ Miss. St, UCF, @ Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, @ Texas, LSU, Ole Miss, @ Florida St.
North Carolina went 11-1 vs: @ Minnesota, Charlotte, NC Central, JMU, @ Boston College, @ Duke, @ Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State, Pitt, Wake Forest, @ Virginia
Objectively North Carolina should get in simply because they have a better record. But that record was not achieved by playing several common opponents (or head to head) like you get in NFL division play. North Carolina had a FAR easier schedule to get their 11 wins. While Florida getting 10 wins vs. that schedule was a much tougher achievement.
By your rationale Florida gets penalized for being a member of a much more competitive conference. If you completely take the subjective aspect out you are going to get multiple ok teams who just happened to play in bad conferences get in over much better teams who had to play much tougher schedules. That still happens in the NFL as well. But to a lesser extent.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:50 am to Alt26
I think his argument would be more towards using data like the BCS used to do to make that call rather than relying on “Florida looks like the better team”
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:16 am to Alt26
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By your rationale Florida gets penalized for being a member of a much more competitive conference. If you completely take the subjective aspect out you are going to get multiple ok teams who just happened to play in bad conferences get in over much better teams who had to play much tougher schedules. That still happens in the NFL as well. But to a lesser extent.
In the NFL every remote Super Bowl contender gets into the postseason… in college in a decade we’re going to go from 2 teams playing for the chip to 14 lol
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:26 am to cbree88
if a mid-major wins every game against FCS teams by 3 points every week, should they be in the title game due to the 100% results driven protocol?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:32 am to cbree88
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We need facts and objective standards to measure things against.
there is 0 way to objectively measure which 4 teams are the best out of 130 teams that don’t all play eachother.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:51 am to chalmetteowl
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The “eye test” saves us from computers who only think in code and algorithms
Computers aren't sentient beings (yet). They still require human input. The BCS factored in the human polls. The computers were just another tool to analyze teams more objectively.
But in retarded college football utopia, technology bad. Committee good. Derp.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:58 am to nvasil1
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Computers aren't sentient beings (yet). They still require human input. The BCS factored in the human polls. The computers were just another tool to analyze teams more objectively.
But in retarded college football utopia, technology bad. Committee good. Derp.
20 years ago, people were bitching about the computers. Now, they're completely removed and it's entirely subjective, and people want them back?
I say scrap the shite and go back to the way it was pre-BCS, which would be foreign for me and many on this board.
It's okay there isn't an undisputed college champion. It's just fine.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:08 pm to cbree88
I disagree. Without the eye test people in the future will look at LeBron James stats and think he’s the GOAT.
Fortunately, we have the eye test.
Fortunately, we have the eye test.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:10 pm to cbree88
Eye test is nothing more than a made up phenomenon so pundits can over-rank teams with huge fanbases
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:19 pm to dhuck20
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Eye test is nothing more than a made up phenomenon so pundits can over-rank teams with huge fanbases
The "eye test" is nothing more than subjectivity, which there is no way of removing from college football. It's been a part of the game since it began.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:26 pm to Tornado Alley
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I say scrap the shite and go back to the way it was pre-BCS, which would be foreign for me and many on this board. It's okay there isn't an undisputed college champion. It's just fine.
With a large playoff, there’s no way someone could make this argument. If it’s computers or people, there’s always going to be someone complaining about the first team left out vs. the last team that got in. And that’s where the “eye” test will be in consideration.
And the playoffs/tournaments aren’t perfect by any means. Way more often than not, the Championship is won by the better team on that day, not by the best team throughout the season.
There’s no formula to satisfy everyone.
I’m with you. I’d be just fine if it went back to an 11 game season, 10 game if you have a conference championship, then a bowl, then just declare someone. They usually got it right.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:27 pm to cbree88
are we regurgitating money ball lines in this thread?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:15 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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"best team" vs. "most deserving" is the single dumbest argument in all of sports, and obviously mainly occurs in college football, but college bball as well.
it should be "most deserving" 1000000000% of the time. that's the entire point.
Preach.
I've been arguing this since at least 2006, when I thought LSU was probably good enough to win the NC, but didn't deserve to play for it since they lost 2 games. Always, always, always "deserving." At least that attempts to be objective. "Best" is 100% subjective, and we are reminded every single year that we are not great at determining who's the "best."
Posted on 4/10/24 at 3:00 pm to PhiTiger1764
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I disagree. Without the eye test people in the future will look at LeBron James stats and think he’s the GOAT. Fortunately, we have the eye test.
You have it backwards. The “eye test” will tell you Lebron James is the greatest because of his physical attributes. The numbers will tell you that Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time due to his accomplishments.
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