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Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:25 am to buckeye_vol
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So you would have been OK with Alabama being left out last year IF Arkansas didn't convert a crazy 4th and 25 against Ole Miss (0.1% chance of winning before play started)?
Where did he say anything about being left out? And we all know bama wouldnt have been left out.
All he is saying is that PSU should be in if they win, and only putting OSU in sets a horrible precedent.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:27 am to novowels
quote:What? How do determine the winner of 14 team conference? Who be playing in the Big 10 championship game this year? 3 teams have 1 loss.
What is the benefit of having divisions? Just get rid of them and the conference championship becomes undeniably important again. Conference schedule becomes more fair too.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:28 am to More beer please
Correct, it would set a horrible precedent that out of conference and overall quality of wins and losses does not matter.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:30 am to More beer please
quote:Well Ole Miss would have been (like Penn State) division champs with 2 losses last year.
Where did he say anything about being left out?
So using the same logic against OSU this year, Ole Miss and the one-loss conference champions like Clemson, Oklahoma, and Michigan State, would have meant Alabama couldn't have been in the playoff.
quote:A horrible precedent putting the team that is in a clear 2nd place in the computer composites in a 4 team playoff?
All he is saying is that PSU should be in if they win, and only putting OSU in sets a horrible precedent.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 8:32 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:35 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Why couldn't Alabama had potentially made it in over the other 3 teams?
Ole Miss and the one-loss conference champions like Clemson, Oklahoma, and Michigan State, would have meant Alabama couldn't have been in the playoff.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:38 am to Klendathu
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it would set a horrible precedent that out of conference and overall quality of wins and losses does not matter.
Or that Head to head, Division champ, and conference champ doesnt matter. But hey, Steve thinks this other team is better so lets put them in.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:42 am to More beer please
It's not thinking one team is better. It's actually recognizing game results:
Ohio State won at Oklahoma, at Wisconsin, v Nebraska, v Michigan. Only lost at Penn State.
Penn State won v Ohio State, ummmmm temple?
Lost to unranked Pitt and by 39 to Michigan.
Ohio State won at Oklahoma, at Wisconsin, v Nebraska, v Michigan. Only lost at Penn State.
Penn State won v Ohio State, ummmmm temple?
Lost to unranked Pitt and by 39 to Michigan.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:45 am to buckeye_vol
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So using the same logic against OSU this year, Ole Miss and the one-loss conference champions like Clemson, Oklahoma, and Michigan State, would have meant Alabama couldn't have been in the playoff.
Well last year at the end there were 6 teams with 0 or 1 loss. Only 4 this year. And both potential conference champs in discussion (OM lol, PSU) are both considered the top conference in that particular year.
Again we all know what is going to happen. If PSU gets in then they will make them up with OSU in a rematch. No way they allow two teams from the same conference to play for the NC.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:46 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Because they wouldn't have won their division Ole Miss would have to he in before then like Penn State this year if conference champions.
Why couldn't Alabama had potentially made it in over the other 3 teams?
In addition, an undefeated Clemson would have been in, and again, since every wouldn't have won their division, you can't justify their inclusion over one-loss Michigan State and Oklahoma.
This alternate scenario is an almost perfect parallel to this year, so if you don't think OSU should be in, then Alabama couldn't have been included in this scenario.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:48 am to More beer please
quote:So last year there were even more teams with a legitimate case, so using your logic Alabama would have been an even less deserving playoff team in that scenario.
Well last year at the end there were 6 teams with 0 or 1 loss. Only 4 this year
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:49 am to Oddibe
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How do determine the winner of 14 team conference?
For one only 2 teams have 1 loss (Penn St and Ohio St). And if you have a situation where more than 2 teams are tied for the division lead you solve it with tiebreakers just like you do with divisions.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:50 am to Oddibe
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What? How do determine the winner of 14 team conference?
Don't have 14 team conferences.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:55 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Of course.
Because they wouldn't have won their division Ole Miss would have to he in before then like Penn State this year if conference champions.
quote:Naturally
In addition, an undefeated Clemson would have been in
quote:Why the heck not? What do their divisions have to do with Alabama?
and again, since every wouldn't have won their division, you can't justify their inclusion over one-loss Michigan State and Oklahoma.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:56 am to Tiger1242
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You can't pick an at large (non conference champ) unless you also pick the champion of that conference
So if Florida beats Alabama on Saturday you are going to put a 3-Loss Florida team in over which other 1-Loss team??
And they should go over a 1-Loss Alabama just because they beat them in a conference Championship game??
The bottom line is that the Losses matter... always have!
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:57 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Well if Alabama would have gotten in over those conference champions (they were better). Then Ohio State and Penn State should be in, right? Probably over Washington and their inferior schedule.
Why the heck not? What do their divisions have to do with Alabama?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:05 am to buckeye_vol
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so if you don't think OSU should be in, then Alabama couldn't have been included in this scenario.
Christ Almighty you are missing the point still. I DIDNT SAY OSU SHOULDNT BE IN. But there is no way you can leave out this PSU team and put in a team they beat, just because of one additional loss that turns out, wasnt a bad one.
You cant compare everything year to year because its all different. The reason we can argue that PSU should be in is because of the fewer 1 or zero loss teams this year compared to last.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:06 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Possibly, yes.
Then Ohio State and Penn State should be in, right? Probably over Washington and their inferior schedule.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:07 am to More beer please
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But there is no way you can leave out this PSU team and put in a team they beat, just because of one additional loss that turns out, wasnt a bad one.
If Clemson and Washington lose, I am going to be whining on here that you can't put in PSU, Wiscy, or Colorado when Michigan beat all of them and has a one pt loss on a last second FG and a double OT loss.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:08 am to More beer please
quote:You're arguing arguing a fundamental principle, but I can't apply that principle to situations in other years?
You cant compare everything year to year because its all different.
quote:Which means OSU has a stronger case than Alabama would have in that alternate scenario.
The reason we can argue that PSU should be in is because of the fewer 1 or zero loss teams this year compared to last.
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