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The Cavs PnR Problem
Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:33 pm
Been a lot of talk about how or if Cleveland will be able to contain Golden State defensively. Two pieces from two pretty respectable sources did a breakdown today that goes into more detail about what Zach Lowe posted a week ago LINK The other is a nice summary of the matchup and some interesting stats.
LINK / Hardwood Paroxysm: Why Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love struggle to contain pick-and-rolls
summary: Kyrie has bad positioning and bad defensive footwork, Love has bad defensive footwork and bad positioning. He also has poor communication calling out the screens. (It may be that the positioning is partly due to the coach's defensive scheme though.) Either way these are not things easily overcome in a couple days.
LINK / BBall Breakdown: The Kevin Love Pick and Roll Problem
summary: The main choices for PnR defense with Love all have problems: either non-switch option probably concedes open threes because the Warriors start their PnRs well above the arc, and Love switching onto Curry won't work either.
LINK / Finals Preview
summary: Cavs will have a slight rebounding advantage and turn the ball over less so Cleveland may have more opportunities to score. Irving and Love have struggled with Curry and Green guarding them. Green has hampered all three of their big Three. The author questions whether Love and Irving will be a net positive for the Cavs given their issues with defense and scoring against the Warriors.
How Cleveland can respond to this or how well GS exploits this could be a pretty key factor in determining how this series plays out.
LINK / Hardwood Paroxysm: Why Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love struggle to contain pick-and-rolls
summary: Kyrie has bad positioning and bad defensive footwork, Love has bad defensive footwork and bad positioning. He also has poor communication calling out the screens. (It may be that the positioning is partly due to the coach's defensive scheme though.) Either way these are not things easily overcome in a couple days.
LINK / BBall Breakdown: The Kevin Love Pick and Roll Problem
summary: The main choices for PnR defense with Love all have problems: either non-switch option probably concedes open threes because the Warriors start their PnRs well above the arc, and Love switching onto Curry won't work either.
LINK / Finals Preview
summary: Cavs will have a slight rebounding advantage and turn the ball over less so Cleveland may have more opportunities to score. Irving and Love have struggled with Curry and Green guarding them. Green has hampered all three of their big Three. The author questions whether Love and Irving will be a net positive for the Cavs given their issues with defense and scoring against the Warriors.
How Cleveland can respond to this or how well GS exploits this could be a pretty key factor in determining how this series plays out.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 6:43 pm
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:36 pm to NOLA Bronco
One of the main reasons for my Warriors in 5 pick.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:25 pm to NOLA Bronco
If KL and KI play to a positive and they win the series it will be nothing but "would have been a repeat."
If they get abused in the P&R and lose the series the Cleveland fans will have to find something creative to blame.
If they get abused in the P&R and lose the series the Cleveland fans will have to find something creative to blame.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:27 pm to Hoops
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If they get abused in the P&R
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Cleveland fans will have to find something creative to blame.
???
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:29 pm to NOLA Bronco
Thanks for the link. Post more 
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:47 pm to shel311
Most won't admit they were simply outplayed. Refs, layoff between series, Green is dirty, etc. will be to blame
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:49 pm to NOLA Bronco
That last article is laughingly bad. It picks and chooses statistics that seem way off. The Cavs are 21.6 percent from 3 the last 7 games?? Huh
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:14 pm to Javzz
I admit the last one was more of a skim and I originally didn't even include that.
Still I think it brings up some interesting points with regards to how various players have faired defending each other and how pivotal Lebron is to keeping that defense afloat.
Still I think it brings up some interesting points with regards to how various players have faired defending each other and how pivotal Lebron is to keeping that defense afloat.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:26 pm to NOLA Bronco
I read it again and it's even worse. There's typos everywhere, graphs still have the Thunder name on them. The stats rarely have any example of what they're from.
I agree LeBron is pivotal to the D, but I've yet to see any of the people using those LeBron on/off charts mention that the only time LeBron is playing without Kyrie/Love on the floor is that second unit. That unit has steamrolled everyone, and I highly doubt the Warriors try to put a normal 2nd unit against it unless they have a sizable lead. I've actually been really surprised how little media coverage it's garnered. It's been incredible.
I agree LeBron is pivotal to the D, but I've yet to see any of the people using those LeBron on/off charts mention that the only time LeBron is playing without Kyrie/Love on the floor is that second unit. That unit has steamrolled everyone, and I highly doubt the Warriors try to put a normal 2nd unit against it unless they have a sizable lead. I've actually been really surprised how little media coverage it's garnered. It's been incredible.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:34 pm to Javzz
Agree. the Cavs second unit with LBJ has been unarguably the best second unit in the post season, on offense and defense. Very curious to see how Kerr plays this. It's almost the same unit as last years finals except Frye and Jefferson replace Mozgov and JR. Kerr won't be able to tire them out with small ball and they spread the floor really well, as opposed to how LBJ had to go iso. I guess the weakness is Delly not being a great scorer or dribbler but his awareness is awesome. Shumpert also becomes a liability on offense if he can't hit a jumper.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:48 pm to 13SaintTiger
Eh I don't think it's a great defensive unit standalone. Besides Delly they're all long, and besides Frye they've been playing with hyper active energy on the D end. Couple that with the complete blitzkreiging they've been putting on teams offensively they've been forcing teams to freak the frick out in the minimal time they've played(relative to a full game).
Even though you just replace two members of the line up, they play completely different. Frye's shooting has been out of this world, and RJ has given a unique size advantage to take advantage of. Add the elite ball movement and the energy Bron has been playing with on the defensive end due to not having to shoulder the offensive load.
I think it's a line up you'll be able to get away with maybe one game in crunch time. It's value is it could force the Warriors to alter some line ups significantly. If one of the guys gets hot they could provide some serious value when Love is a net negative in a game.
Even though you just replace two members of the line up, they play completely different. Frye's shooting has been out of this world, and RJ has given a unique size advantage to take advantage of. Add the elite ball movement and the energy Bron has been playing with on the defensive end due to not having to shoulder the offensive load.
I think it's a line up you'll be able to get away with maybe one game in crunch time. It's value is it could force the Warriors to alter some line ups significantly. If one of the guys gets hot they could provide some serious value when Love is a net negative in a game.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:55 pm to Javzz
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Eh I don't think it's a great defensive unit standalone. Besides Delly they're all long
I agree with you on everything for the most part but I'd say Delly is pretty long for a point guard, not longer than Livingston but longer than Curry. Shumpert, Delly, LBJ, and Jefferson is a good defensive unit. Better than Kyrie, Love, and JR (although JR has stepped it up this year defensively big time). I haven't checked the stats lately but last time I did they were leading the team in net rtg.
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think it's a line up you'll be able to get away with maybe one game in crunch time. It's value is it could force the Warriors to alter some line ups significantly. If one of the guys gets hot they could provide some serious value when Love is a net negative in a game.
Oh for sure. I'm sure Kerr already has a game plan for it, it it doesn't work it'll take one game for adjustments. Kerr loves to get his guys their rest though, at a minimum Livingston can't get away with playing how he did last series.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:59 pm to shel311
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One of the main reasons for my Warriors in 5 pick.
I think the Cavs win games 1, 3 and 6. Picking the Warriors in 7 but won't be surprised if Cleveland wins win 6. I haven't been this excited for a series, matchup wise, since the 2000s version of Boston vs LA.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:13 pm to Javzz
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That unit has steamrolled everyone, and I highly doubt the Warriors try to put a normal 2nd unit against it unless they have a sizable lead. I've actually been really surprised how little media coverage it's garnered. It's been incredible.
I would like you to elaborate on why this unit is so incredible and better then the Warriors? And breakdown why this matchup so favors the Cavs?
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:13 pm to PortCityTiger24
Sounds like a classic Skip Bayless hedge job, m8.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:24 pm to NOLA Bronco
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I would like you to elaborate on why this unit is so incredible and better then the Warriors? And breakdown why this matchup so favors the Cavs?
That unit has a net rating of 46.6, that's unheard of, with a eFG% of 72%. That's the very definition of incredible. They also hold their opponent to 25% 3pt shooting which is huge if Kerr doesn't keep in Klay or Curry, obviously that stat won't matter if he does keep one in at all times because they will get theirs.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:26 pm to Gtothemoney
I wouldn't know.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:35 pm to 13SaintTiger
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That unit has a net rating of 46.6, that's unheard of, with a eFG% of 72%. That's the very definition of incredible
*Playing against East scrubs
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:38 pm to PortCityTiger24
I know. We only watch ESPN for live games. The Skip Bayless comment was hearsay. 
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:39 pm to NOLA Bronco
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*Playing against East scrubs
Okay.
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