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re: Suggested changes to improve college football

Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:54 am to
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:54 am to
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huh? team travel expenses?- cost just as the same to travel by bus as it does plane...


Im sorry. I will not elaborate further. If you dont understand that random schedule draw can frick some teams and reward others, then I cant expalin it any clearer.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 10:54 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:59 am to
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I will not elaborate further.


probably a good idea, because i do not see your point whatsoever.

look at Iowas schedule this year, for example, is it fair that they get to play that plebeian slate while others are actually stuck competing?

"random" schedules at least offer novel viewership - as it stands now, we get 12 games a year, and half of those games are against the same damn teams - why is this the norm? mind = blown
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13615 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:01 am to
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ETA: Scratch that. I like the idea of playing Oregon and North Carolina and BC etc.


Yea I certainly do too, but what if this would happen...

LSU draws @Oregon, @Arizona St, @Boise State and @Washington.

Bama draws @Texas, @Florida St, @Georgia Tech, @Louisville

Texas draws @Texas A&M, @Arkansas, @Oklahoma St, @Arizona

LSU would have to travel 3x as much which would be a huge disadvantage.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:02 am to
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I don't know much about how scholarships work, but wouldn't this limited coverage and the lack of money these smaller schools earn from playing tune up games eventually effect their ability to offer scholarships?


no?

if money affected athletic scholarships, as much as claimed, then women would never see an offer in anything.

most athletic depts are in the red (even the P5) - only a few turn a profit (I think 15 or so)
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:05 am
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:09 am to
Once you figure out which teams are in which divisions, then you can work on the schedule to make it as fair as possible.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:10 am
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22476 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:12 am to
quote:

boom roasted


I'm glad you're around man

You've surpassed me as the most idiotic poser on the MSB
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:13 am to
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most athletic depts are in the red (even the P5) - only a few turn a profit (I think 15 or so)


Just imagine if they didn't have football money from big games.
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:13 am to
quote:

I'm glad you're around man

You've surpassed me as the most idiotic poser on the MSB
Now that the pleasantries are out of the way, pick apart my suggestions. I'm open to criticism.
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:15 am to
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Just imagine if they didn't have football money from big games.
How much money are we talking and how does that work? The big time schools just pay the little schools to come get their asses kicked?
Posted by bgator85
Sarasota
Member since Aug 2007
6025 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:23 am to
quote:

Relegation would never work in CFB. Too much turnover in players. A team can be almost a completed new team after losing players.



I agree with you if we are talking about one year scenarios, but I think if we go to a P5 only division, there should be some minimum standards over a 3 or 5 year period that a team must meet to keep P5 status.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:26 am
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:23 am to
quote:

The big time schools just pay the little schools to come get their asses kicked?


From my understanding, yes.

quote:

The Mocs will receive $450,000 from both Alabama and Tennessee. Nebraska is paying UTC $475,000 for this season's guarantee game, and South Florida will pay the Mocs $435,000 next season.


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That's a lot of cash for a small time school.
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:24 am to
Yes that is a nice chunk of change.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:24 am to
quote:

Just imagine if they didn't have football money from big games


good pt
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:25 am to
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I agree with you if we are talking about one year scenarios, but I think if there were some minimum standards that a team must meet to keep P5 status over a 3 or 5 year period it would be possible.


What about the one year wonders? They deserve a shot at a national championship that year as much as anyone.

Relegation puts too much emphasis on past performance for my liking. Limits true "worst to first" scenarios, which make sports awesome, especially CFB.

Look at Mizzou last year. Where did they come from? They deserved to be in the national title talk even after a disappointing season in 2012.
Posted by bgator85
Sarasota
Member since Aug 2007
6025 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:31 am to
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What about the one year wonders? They deserve a shot at a national championship that year as much as anyone.

Relegation puts too much emphasis on past performance for my liking. Limits true "worst to first" scenarios, which make sports awesome, especially CFB.



I think you would work that into the standards. I am not saying there should be some set win-loss record you have to achieve, but say a team finishes last or second to last every year in their conference for 5 years, should they really maintain P5 status?
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:38 am to
quote:

What about the one year wonders? They deserve a shot at a national championship that year as much as anyone.
It happens so rarely that a team goes from dogshit to championship caliber that I'm fine taking that risk.
quote:


Relegation puts too much emphasis on past performance for my liking. Limits true "worst to first" scenarios, which make sports awesome, especially CFB.
Would you be fine with a subjective ranking before the season to determine the 50/50 split?
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:41 am to
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Would you be fine with a subjective ranking before the season to determine the 50/50 split?



I think I would be, but I don't know if the rest of the CFB masses would.

Enjoying the discussion though.
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:46 am to
This could also possibly effect recruiting. Teams that are in League B would be destined to stay there. For example, if Mississippi State was in League B and Ole Miss was in League A then all the instate talent would go to Ole Miss. I'm afraid that it would be very hard for Mississippi State to recover. Even if they had a good year in League B and got bumped up they would be playing there with inferior talent and get sent right back down the next year.
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25607 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:49 am to
quote:

This could also possibly effect recruiting.


Good call.

You'd have to have a coach really sell a program rising from League B to get some stud recruits.
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:50 am to
quote:

Would you be fine with a subjective ranking before the season to determine the 50/50 split?


Then you're back to square one with the same problem we have now with who gets in the playoff. How could you possibly tell a borderline 50/50 team from League A that they are going to League B based on a subjective ranking? "Hey sorry we think you're going to suck this year and this League B team looks like they're going to be better." That wouldn't work.
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