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re: Stat of the day - Derek Jeter......
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:34 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:34 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Or are you comparing numbers head up despite the fact that Jeter played in the best lineups
Lineups don't mean as much for a leadoff hitter. Jeter did not get to take advantage of a good lineup like a 3 or 4 hitter would. The guys Jeter drove in were typically the 7,8,9 hitters.
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:45 am to Tiger in NY
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Lineups don't mean as much for a leadoff hitter. Jeter did not get to take advantage of a good lineup like a 3 or 4 hitter would. The guys Jeter drove in were typically the 7,8,9 hitters.
It doesn't matter where you hit in a great lineup everyone benefits.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:47 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Or are you comparing numbers head up despite the fact that Jeter played in the best lineups during a super offense friendly era while Cal played in a very pitcher friendly era in mostly below average/shite lineups
all metrics, even the ones that adjust for playing era give the nod to jeter hitting wise.
they also say jeter is a below average fielder.
so again jeter slight nod with the bat, but the gap in fielding is astronomical.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:49 am to Tiger in NY
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Mediocre to slightyly above average? Probably.
make it mediocre to below average and ill agree. He was never slightly above average. Go look at his UZR or DRS. I'm sure you will scoff at those metrics because they're not perfect, and i agree they arent.
But they're certainly better than fielding pct which has been used in this thread quite a bit.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 9:50 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:57 am to bbap
Better Fielding Percentage and WS rings/playoff appearances clearly make Jeter the better player. Plus he had that sweet-arse hop/pivot throw from the hole. Nevermind that he was hop/pivoting because he was late getting to the ball in the first place, it looked fricking cool. GOAT. 
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:03 am to bbap
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make it mediocre to below average and ill agree. He was never slightly above average
You are probably right there. At his best, he might have acheived mediocre to slightly above average. The bulk of his career was spent as a mediocre to below average fielder. I still contend that his poor fielding had a lot less impact on wins/losses than Ripken's .250 averages and in years when the Os had really good lineups)
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:07 am to Tiger in NY
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I still contend that his poor fielding had a lot less impact on wins/losses than Ripken's .250 averages and in years when the Os had really good lineups)
fair enough. WAR completely disagrees, but I won't use WAR to make an argument against Jeter.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:07 am to bbap
Way to go Peej. Way to go.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:11 am to bbap
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you lost me
He made one random comment about ripken and luck out of the blue and derailed an entire thread for 4 pages.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:22 am to bbap
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WAR completely disagrees, but I won't use WAR to make an argument against Jeter.
I'm not a huge fan of overvaluing WAR stats, but they are useful.
I mean, you can't compare Jeter and ARod in the regular season, but go look at postseason stats and it's laughable. WAR doesn't tell the whole story.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 11:12 am to Tiger in NY
right, which is why im not gonna use it eventhough it favors Ripken.
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