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Spinoff: if Bonds doesn't get busted, is he unanimously into the HOF?

Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:01 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84642 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:01 pm
To be clear, this is not an argument about whether he would have similar numbers without steroids. I'm asking if you completely remove the steroid era stigma, would his numbers be enough?

All-time records:
7x MVP, including 4 straight
762 HRs
73 HRs in a season
2558 walks
688 intentional walks
13-consecutive seasons with 30+ HRs
.863 slugging in a season
5 seasons with 30 HRs and 30 SBs

Also:
14x All-star
8x Gold Glove
12x Silver Slugger

Only player in history with more times on base than at bats - 376 to 373 respectively in 2004.

Career .298 hitter, greatest LF of all-time, on of the best hitters and players of all time.

So, with no steroid controversy, does he get in unanimously or not? I believe it is fair to ask because Bonds was a better everyday player than Maddux was a pitcher, and he certainly was better than Cal Ripken Jr., and they received 97.2% and 98.5% of the vote respectively.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96006 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:03 pm to
probably would get a higher % than those two. who knows about unanimous. probably not.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58039 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:03 pm to
nope

there will always be at least one voter that will make sure a unanimous vote never happens
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:07 pm to
No, because he was an a-hole and some of the writers would hold that against him
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141681 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:08 pm to
How do they make sure it's only one guy?

What if everybody thought they were going to be "that guy", and they all ended up leaving him off their ballots?
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:08 pm to
No b/c he was an a-hole
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58039 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:13 pm to
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How do they make sure it's only one guy?




they dont need to make sure of anything

there are enough voters that the odds are extremely high there will always be at least one MLB HOF voter who believes nobody should be unanimous first ballot and will leave a player off their ballot if they think he has a shot at it.

also, as others have said, Bonds was an incredible prick during his career so that alone would get him snubbed by several voters.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:17 pm to
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No, because he was an a-hole and some of the writers would hold that against him
Correct
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141681 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:17 pm to
But suppose it's a living saint who hits 800 home runs and 4500 hits playing 3000 games in a row

They want to make sure nobody is unanimous -- what do they do? Do they hold a meeting? Send out emails?
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
28714 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:17 pm to
Greatest player ever.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96006 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:19 pm to
no. im sure 90% of the rational voters know there is always that 10% who will do something stupid. i doubt they discuss it.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31061 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:20 pm to
2001-2004 Barry Bonds is the best stretch of any athlete I will ever see in my lifetime.

His OBP was .609 one year. That does not even make sense.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

How do they make sure it's only one guy?


They go by "meanness seniority".

If Bonds made one of the voters cry before, they go to him first and give him the option of dropping the "no" vote. If he declines, they go down the chain through the voters that Bonds made red in the face, stutter with frustration, etc.

In the event of multiple people in a certain bracket, the most senior voter in the group gets first crack.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
29956 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:20 pm to
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Greatest player ever.



not named Ken Griffey
Posted by tween the hedges
Member since Feb 2012
20241 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:20 pm to
No some jackass would vote no just to make themselves feel important
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84642 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:21 pm to
Keeping him off out of spite or to keep anyone from being unanimous are two of the biggest knocks against the MLB HOF.

Some people will say if Ruth and Cobb weren't unanimous, then no one will be. However, I'm of the belief that both of those guys would have been unanimous if they put up the same numbers today. I believe history has proven how incredible they were, and that wasn't necessarily the case in 1936. No one knew some of those numbers would stand the test of time. Hell, they were only 17 years into the live ball era when they were elected.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

not named Ken Griffey
Posted by lsu fan cw
Member since Jan 2014
305 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:23 pm to
I don't care one way or the other about any of the steroid crowd.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58039 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

But suppose it's a living saint who hits 800 home runs and 4500 hits playing 3000 games in a row

They want to make sure nobody is unanimous -- what do they do? Do they hold a meeting? Send out emails?



again

why are you making this more complicated than it needs to be?

there is no organized effort to make sure nobody gets in unanimously.

why would voters even need to talk to each other when its usually pretty obvious which players are for sure getting into the hall in their first year of eligibility?


the average sports writer is already a cantankerous old fart.

baseball focused writers are even worse as they feel they are somehow preserving the game.

with the amount of old farts voting, the odds are simply too high that there is always going to be some old curmudgeon who wants to make sure a person does not get a unanimous vote. It might be b/c they think the player was a dick. It might be b/c they think his stats are inflated by where he played. It might be (most likely) that he simply thinks that since greats like Babe Ruth and Willie Mays didn't get unanimously voted in that nobody should.

All you need to know is its pretty obvious who will make it in the HOF their first year and b/c of that its easy for the very small minority of voters who don't want anyone to get a unanimous first ballot to know who and when to leave players off their ballot.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22365 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

No, because he was an a-hole and some of the writers would hold that against him


yep.

is there a more petty group of human beings than baseball writers?
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