re: Songbird in the Santa Anita Oaks

Eight bells broke down because she was a brittle inbred horse sired by one of the most brittle horses of all time running in a race the was ,25 miles further the the race she was supposed to be running in which In itself was ,125 miles further than anything she ever ran in.

That race pretty much killed unbridled songs stature as a top flight sire. Fast as hell brittle as shite. The only time you get a good unbridled song horse is to 100% out breed them which is virtually I possible because unbridled song -unbridled - Mr pto spector - raise a native is in 90%of all north American horse pedigrees and no one is paying 100k to have a turf horse which is what you'd get if you went with a more European sire line or family


In short this is all phalirses fault lol (horse racing joke)

There are two reason why this just isn't going to happen:


1. porter to most people who don't follow horse racing fanatically sees porter as the guy who owned that filly who broke down in the derby . If he were to run her, the entire week leading up that's all anyone is going to ask him about, and it's not like she is an also ran she'd by no worse than 2nd betting choice so he would be getting hounded, he's just really putting that behind him no way he wants to go through that, and God forbid something happens to her in the race someone from peta might kill him



With that said, she's not Rachel / rags level good either. I've seen nothing to suggest she could stay within 3 of Rachel on her best day in her prime


Funny enough, they have the exact same breeding pattern. Both are double northern dancer crosses with the sires being specifically Medaglia d'Oro who is quickly becoming the second most prolific sire of fillies behind secretariat

2: unlike eight bells, Rachel, blind luck or even zenyatta, songbird is worth more as a mare than she is as a racehorse

Songbird, from the same family as and is distantly related to flower bowl (in human terms she'd be her great great great aunt). Songbirds great great great great dam is the blue hen mare flowar bed. Other great race horses in her family and by family I mean, directly related, no more than 1 removed include real quiet, majestic prince, bowl of flowersmy Diawa major (Japan horse of the year ), gurastark, groupie doll, his majesty,
Star craft and wilko among others are all direct decenants from her dam line (you trace race horse lineage through dams not sires)


There are exactly 50 established horse racing families all tracing back to various race mares in the 16-1700am none have won more triple crown races the the one she is a direct line decedent of, in other words I can draw straight line entombed songbird all the way back to the foundation mare she decent from (Layton barb mare) and count the direct decedent's of all the mares in that direct blood line, and it's more than any other blood line in horse racing


Basically songbird is like that hot french chick in angels and demons whoode bloodline itself is the holy grail (sorry for spoiler lol) you don't risk bloodlines like this to win a freaking derby she's the type of mare some Saudi king will pay 20 million dollars for to start his world class horse racing operatition. Her bloodline along with her talent literally make her priceless


Sorry I'm a pedigree junky lol

Ps- next time you go to the track and think it's a good idea to make a wager remember this thread lol and that this is literally all from memory I've memorized every horse that is worth a shite'a pedigree who their related to, what they do vest, what they don't do, who long a horses family tends to take for them to hit their peak form, then just put your money in a collection plate and go home lol

He continued to be a top class sire and the sales showed it. People didn't care because they were FAST. I kept hoping for him to have fertility problems, and while I was sad that he died, I was a little relieved.

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That race pretty much killed unbridled songs stature as a top flight sire.

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LOL. He was always a top flight sire. His horses did break down. Didn't stop buyers of his babies.

Fairgrounds and Delta in the winter, Evangeline LAD in the summer. I do make a nice living, pal. Been doing it a long time so yes, I know what I'm doing. You never in a million years will see a trainer, rider or any owner with a brain go into a public forum and discuss private business that happens inside their barn. Your grasping at straws trying to pry info out of me, it's not happening. Now, if you have a question that's within reason of an honest answer feel free to ask. Being an agent and in the business, I've learned it's very cutthroat. I won't piss away my career discussing my business with some nit wit I have no idea who he or she is.

As to my point

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He was bred to more grade 1 winning mares in 2005 (7) then he was from 2009 until his death combined (3).

Yes there were still suckers stupid enough to pay the 100k fee bust mostly people looking to recapture past glory and flip him at Keeneland the heaby hitters had moved onot

There were no more half ours (one of 5th best bed horses I've eve seen) or Dunkirks or will take charges after 2008

It's none of your business who I represent. I'm 44 years old and have been an agent for over 20. I haven't spent the entire time in Louisiana. I've been at Oaklawn Arlington Park Gulfstream Keeneland Churchill Ellis Kentucky Downs. A few years ago I decided to stay in Louisiana full-time to start and be with my family. You have no clue WTF you're talking about.

You don't know me. Why are you so hard on of who I am? Who are you? What have you done around the track? Stoop tickets? Santos is not even an agent anymore. Again for the final time, I provide for my family and earn a good, honest living. I have to hustle everyday in the morning but the hard work pays off. I don't piss my money away like a bunch of other guys do in the business.

And also what have I done around the track? Oh let's see, since I was 5 I've been going with my grandfather to the training center and various tracks around the area while he trained and my parents owned horses. My uncle is currently on the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission and runs one of the biggest Stallion Farms in the WORLD. I grew up on the backside. So again, if you were an agent for 20 years as you claim, I'd know you. In fact we could probably walk through the back side at keeneland, Churchill or Ellis, more folks would recognize me than you. So I'd suggest before dropping the " I'm a jocks agent" you realize you may be asked about it. Not to mention one of the people in here has a fairly direct connection with a large barn in Louisiana. One book? At Delta? Hope your wife makes good money.

And honestly I originally asked the question because I was like, sweet we have another poster that's going to be knowledgable and I'll have a rider to pull for doing well in Louisiana. Then you got all arrogant about it so you had to be called out. You don't know any more than anybody else in here. So you can either fit in and discuss the sport we love or take your one book, and your bullshite, and leave. I also saw your first post was early this morning. You probably should have been looking for mounts instead of posting a response to me.