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re: So Simmons and his buddy Jacko were making fun of Biggio going to the HOF
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:03 am to Cosmo
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:03 am to Cosmo
Biggio played in a small market on teams that were never loaded like the Yankees.
Biggio made his team. Jeter did not.
Biggio has the fifth most doubles all time.
Biggio was only nine home runs away from being the second player ever to have 3000 hits, 300 homers, and 300 stolen bases, like Willie Mays.
He had 3,000 hits, 600 doubles, 400 stolen bases, and almost 300 homeruns with a respectable .280 career average. He was a known hustle player, and was good defensively.
Anyone that discredits Biggio is misguided. He is a true ball player, and was the leader of a franchise.
Also, third all time in lead off home runs. Biggio could do it all and worked hard and got dirty doing it.
Biggio made his team. Jeter did not.
Biggio has the fifth most doubles all time.
Biggio was only nine home runs away from being the second player ever to have 3000 hits, 300 homers, and 300 stolen bases, like Willie Mays.
He had 3,000 hits, 600 doubles, 400 stolen bases, and almost 300 homeruns with a respectable .280 career average. He was a known hustle player, and was good defensively.
Anyone that discredits Biggio is misguided. He is a true ball player, and was the leader of a franchise.
Also, third all time in lead off home runs. Biggio could do it all and worked hard and got dirty doing it.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:04 am to dukke v
You're such a sad human being.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:06 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
Biggio = Jeter
Like someone else in the thread said, he's basically a small-market Jeter.
That idiot Cowherd was bashing the Biggio induction yesterday, saying he was "never the best guy on his team". And I was thinking- the exact thing could be said about Derek Jeter.
Jeter different bc of the position he played which is historically more or of a defensive position (Ozzie Smith wasn't nearly the offensive player that Jeter was but does his superior defense make him more valuable?).
If Biggio played his whole career at 2b (C too but he was only there for a short time) then he would be more comparable to Jeter for the reasons stated above.
Biggio as an OF is different bc he is just a good OF compared to his peers of the time.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:11 am to STEVED00
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Jeter different bc of the position he played which is historically more or of a defensive position (Ozzie Smith wasn't nearly the offensive player that Jeter was but does his superior defense make him more valuable?).
If Biggio played his whole career at 2b (C too but he was only there for a short time) then he would be more comparable to Jeter for the reasons stated above.
Biggio as an OF is different bc he is just a good OF compared to his peers of the time.
Biggio played 2B the vast majority of his career. He has 1,959 starts at 2B, compared to only 352 in the OF, and 392 at C. (I was surprised it was more at C than OF, but it is.)
Taking away from the guy because he ended up moving to the OF isn't really saying much, other than he was a team player.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:12 am to goldenbadger08
Biggio is literally Jeter of the South. Never the absolute best player on their teams, but played hard and were the teams leaders. Jeter obviously has the postseason accolades, but he also played on way better teams than the Astros and had way more postseason appearances.
Biggio was a much better defender than Jeter and also was a plus defender at three different positions.
Both ultimately accumulated stats over long careers, but IMO that is not a knock at all on their careers. To be able to play the game at a high level as long as they did speaks to itself.
Category Biggio Jeter
Games 2,850 2,747
PA 12,504 12,602
AB 10,876 11,165
Runs 1,844 1,923
Hits 3,060 3,465
Doubles 668 544
Triples 55 66
Home runs 291 260
RBIs 1,175 1,311
SBs 414 358
Walks 1,160 1,082
Strikeouts 1,753 1,840
BA .281 .310
OB% .363 .377
Slugging % .433 .440
OPS .796 .817
If Biggio Played in A bigger market he would have been at least second ballot, if not a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Biggio was a much better defender than Jeter and also was a plus defender at three different positions.
Both ultimately accumulated stats over long careers, but IMO that is not a knock at all on their careers. To be able to play the game at a high level as long as they did speaks to itself.
Category Biggio Jeter
Games 2,850 2,747
PA 12,504 12,602
AB 10,876 11,165
Runs 1,844 1,923
Hits 3,060 3,465
Doubles 668 544
Triples 55 66
Home runs 291 260
RBIs 1,175 1,311
SBs 414 358
Walks 1,160 1,082
Strikeouts 1,753 1,840
BA .281 .310
OB% .363 .377
Slugging % .433 .440
OPS .796 .817
If Biggio Played in A bigger market he would have been at least second ballot, if not a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:14 am to Cosmo
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If you dont think biggio is worthy then about 50 people already in arent worthy.
More than that. Its the hall of really good players who voters dont think did steroids. Its a joke.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:16 am to LSUBoo
Sorry thought he played OF longer. I believe his C basically cancels out the OF starts.
Jeter and Biggio is a great comparison.
Jeter and Biggio is a great comparison.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:17 am to STEVED00
I thought it was a little longer myself.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:24 am to LSUBoo
it's funny that Jeter made 3x more money than Biggio did for his career
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:26 am to Pilot Tiger
It's a hell of a town.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:30 am to Cosmo
Simmons love him some Boston, and anything outside of that he doesn't seem to know much
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:31 am to LSUBoo
Biggio also played 3 positions but played 2 of them very well being catcher and second. It wasn't like he was moving between outfield positions. He could have played his whole career at either and been solid. He was HOF worthy of defense and imo HOF worthy hitting the ball as well. I am an Astro homer but I think he deserves it. He was a workhorse and the leader of a team for a long time.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:32 am to Cosmo
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"I cant remember any moments from his career"
Well when the networks force feed the Yankees and Red Sox down your throats for 20 years, an Astro is sure to slide under the radar.
I don't remember any Jim Rice moments either, come to think of it.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:34 am to LSUGrad9295
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Well when the networks force feed the Yankees and Red Sox down your throats for 20 years
When the Astros were their best with Biggio, TBS was still playing just about every Braves game.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:36 am to Cosmo
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"I cant remember any moments from his career"
Getting thrown out at second trying to stretch hit #3000 into a double.
I also remember back when he was still a C, the other team intentionally walking someone (maybe Steve Finley or Caminiti) to get to Biggio in the bottom of the 9th... and Biggio promptly hit a walk-off. I was at that game, good times.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:39 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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That idiot Cowherd was bashing the Biggio induction yesterday, saying he was "never the best guy on his team".
So, according to his logic, either Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig should not be in.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:41 am to LSUFanNTX
Cowherd just laughed at Astros fans asking what the difference between Jeter and Biggio is.
Cowherd reads TD
Cowherd reads TD
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:48 am to bags03
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Cowherd just laughed at Astros fans asking what the difference between Jeter and Biggio is.
There are obviously a couple of big differences... market, and post-season success.
ETA: Baseball Reference's similarity scores has Biggio's career most similar to Robin Yount (hall of famer) and second most similar to Derek Jeter. Third most similar is Joe Morgan, another hall of fames.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:50 am to Tiger Ryno
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Biggio is a better player than Jeter. IF Biggio played in NY he would be treated as Jeter was
Lol
First, I don't think he was better. But that's not the part I'm laughing at.
He would not be treated as Jeter was. DJ was one of a kind. He had certain traits about him that just made him Jeter. He was untouchable in New York. By the media, the New York crowd, the organization, by everyone.
Not to mention the fact that we have no idea if Biggio would have been as successful in the postseason like Jeter was. Because that's what made him. He was a winner.
So yeah, no.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:54 am to LSUBoo
I am glad that everyone is noting that Biggio= Jeter because it is so spot on: They were both never the best player on their team, were vastly overrated by their hometown fans, were never that great of defenders, and all of their accomplishments come from being above average for very lengthy careers.
It is a total screw job that Biggio made the HOF before Bagwell.
It is a total screw job that Biggio made the HOF before Bagwell.
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