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Should mandeville placeholder be ruled down on this play?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 3:52 pm
Controversial call in last nights Mandy/Ponchy game which mandy won 31-27.
Up 24-21 with under 3 min remaining, Mandy attempts fg on 4th down, and this play happens which was ruled a td. You make the call. Video in link
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Up 24-21 with under 3 min remaining, Mandy attempts fg on 4th down, and this play happens which was ruled a td. You make the call. Video in link
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 3:58 pm to ToulatownTiger
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Also, the rule states that a holder’s knee can only be on the ground with the football if the field goal is actually attempted, which it clearly is not in this case.
I'm not so sure about this part. The holder has an obvious exception to the knee down rule, as if that wasn't true every field goal attempt would be ruled dead before the kick. Holders are allowed to start with the knee on the ground, and then move to their feet. On any fake attempt, the holder can not pass the ball forward with his knee on the ground, but he can pass the ball as a lateral, meaning the pass is not forward (Colt David and Josh Jasper - Red Roxy).
It looks to me that the aborted kick and scramble was legal because the holder's knee did not touch the ground after he rose to his feet.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:00 pm to Choupique19
But he controls ball with both knees on ground is the problem im having understanding. Wouldnt that make him dead?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:01 pm to ToulatownTiger
Down
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:04 pm to ToulatownTiger
Down
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:05 pm to ToulatownTiger
It's a grey area. His knees were down, but he is allowed to start with a knee down. He had to reach far for the snap. My understanding would be that since he never lifted his knee and then put it back down, that he would be okay. However, I can see the other side of the argument. Also, it looks like he put two knees down.
Interdasting.
Interdasting.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:05 pm to ToulatownTiger
Heres the rule. Hard to tell if hes knees ever come up. But orgerons elbow also goes down at one point too.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:06 pm to ToulatownTiger
frick yea he should be ruled down
he looked more like he was recovering a fumble than attempting to make a hold for a FG
he looked more like he was recovering a fumble than attempting to make a hold for a FG
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:07 pm to ToulatownTiger
If you watch from the endzone view, he clearly makes an attempt to placehold the ball while falling down. It looks rather sloppy, but the call should stand...just as had the kicker gone through with the kick and made it, the FG would stand too.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:07 pm to Choupique19
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but he is allowed to start with a knee down
only if there is a kick attempt
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:07 pm to ToulatownTiger
Reading that rule seems like I was right at first, but...
That should lead to a dead ball. Player is down.
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But orgerons elbow also goes down at one point too.
That should lead to a dead ball. Player is down.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:09 pm to TigerintheNO
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only if there is a kick attempt
No field goal attempt on this legal fake
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This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:10 pm to Choupique19
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That should lead to a dead ball. Player is down.
The only place where it discusses the elbows being down is after the knee(s) come up off the ground.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:12 pm to Golfer
So does it become like the NFL rule after a botched snap? If he was touched while on ground, hes down?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:12 pm to Golfer
It seems that an elbow down would deem the player down, but I'm not 100% certain on it. Rule books are complicated. 
You make a good point.
You make a good point.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:13 pm to Choupique19
I could read that page of the rule book all day and come up with 100 scenarios to question my interpretation
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:15 pm to ToulatownTiger
Great Fake!!!
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:16 pm to ToulatownTiger
You have to look at it from the point of the FG. Had the kick occurred and been made with the botched snap, it would have counted. (Hell, it may have even made the same video with the title "Amazing save by holder to allow FG".)
Therefore, the holder is still able to get up and make the pass.
Therefore, the holder is still able to get up and make the pass.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:26 pm to Golfer
Heres the real issue, the white hat had no idea about the rule. He says "i didnt see the player have possession of the ball before he got up" which was just bs
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:30 pm to ToulatownTiger
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Heres the real issue, the white hat had no idea about the rule. He says "i didnt see the player have possession of the ball before he got up" which was just bs
The answer you get from refs/umps are worse than the actual calls many times.
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