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re: Shooting free throws underhand is superior; However almost no one does it
Posted on 7/3/16 at 8:18 pm to PatDyesPants
Posted on 7/3/16 at 8:18 pm to PatDyesPants
quote:
The only time Wilt Chamberlin was good at shooting free throws was when he was using the underhand technique.
BTW, when Wilt scored 100 in a single game he was using the underhand FT method.
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Posted on 7/3/16 at 8:30 pm to MidnightVibe
quote:that literally no one does this
What about underhanded free throws makes this hard to believe?
quote:the fact that you get greater control of the ball by shooting overhanded? it just seems that shooting overhanded for freethrows is better just like shooting overhanded is better for all other shots around the court
What about the obvious greater amount of backspin and more forgiving trajectory isn't obvious.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 7/3/16 at 8:35 pm to WestCoastAg
FTs are uncontested shots.
You don't get much opportunity to shoot underhanded against a live defense. And some layups are shot underhanded, for that matter.
You don't get much opportunity to shoot underhanded against a live defense. And some layups are shot underhanded, for that matter.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 8:36 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Shaq says hello. He's quoted as saying he didn't do it because it didn't play this constituents.
you actually think players would be afraid of shooting that way if it actually was a superior way to shoot free throws?
Posted on 7/3/16 at 8:45 pm to shel311
quote:Malcolm Gladwell was on The Lebatard show and basically said that this is probably a pretty global thought. I think Gladwell's new podcast, Revisionist History, goes into further detail about it. I'm going to check it out next week.
Shaq says hello. He's quoted as saying he didn't do it because it didn't play this constituents.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 8:47 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
it just seems that shooting overhanded for freethrows is better just like shooting overhanded is better for all other shots around the court
Try shooting underhand with a guy playing defense against you and let me know how that works out for you
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:05 pm to PatDyesPants
This is a dumbed-down picture version of the argument.
Ollie is so off.
And still makes it.
Over-hand and that bricks off to the left.
But if you just hit the rim underhand...it always has a chance.
So they say.
“It's all about the ego,” says Barry, still with traces of a biting Jersey accent, elongating each word for emphasis upon second pass. “It’s … all … about … the … ego. They don’t think it’s macho enough for them, and that’s fine. If you’re shooting 80 percent or better, great. If you’re not shooting 80 percent or better, then you better think about making some kind of change.”
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:06 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Yep, I learned Gladwell had a podcast during that interview. Can't wait to get a moment to check it out.
Malcolm Gladwell was on The Lebatard show and basically said that this is probably a pretty global thought. I think Gladwell's new podcast, Revisionist History, goes into further detail about it. I'm going to check it out next week.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:06 pm to shel311
quote:i mean im sure there are individuals who think that way but as a whole? i dont know
Shaq says hello. He's quoted as saying he didn't do it because it didn't play this constituents.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:08 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Literally no college or nfl coach goes for it on 4th down nearly as much as the math suggests they should. That doesn't make them right to not do so.
that literally no one does this
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:11 pm to shel311
and i can appreciate that but do we have actual stats to point to underhand freethrows being a better alternative? there is a formula in this thread but i legitimately dont see how it applies to underhand shooting and if someone could explain it that would be great
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:20 pm to WestCoastAg
Throw a Skee ball overhand and then throw it underhand for about 10 minutes and keep track.
I'd bet you underhand was more successful by a wide-margin.
It's not rocket-science but there's science behind it.
This is not a new concept, they were talking about this in the 80's and all the civilian free-throw shooters who did it like 2,000 in a row - all underhand.
I'd bet you underhand was more successful by a wide-margin.
It's not rocket-science but there's science behind it.
This is not a new concept, they were talking about this in the 80's and all the civilian free-throw shooters who did it like 2,000 in a row - all underhand.
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 7/3/16 at 9:25 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:dunno, just saying that just because no one does it doesn't make it so one way or the other.
and i can appreciate that but do we have actual stats to point to underhand freethrows being a better alternative? there is a formula in this thread but i legitimately dont see how it applies to underhand shooting and if someone could explain it that would be great
Here's an article I found real quick, didn't even read it, to be honest lol
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 3:57 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Rick Barry is such a sanctimonious prick. I love that none of his kids even did it. I bet it was some run of the mill teenage rebellion. I can imagine little teenage Brent Barry arguing with Papa Rick:
"No, dad! I'm never gonna do it like that. I'm never gonna be like YOU!! You can't control my free throws, and you can't control my LIFE!!"
*Brent dashes out of house, sobbing*
"No, dad! I'm never gonna do it like that. I'm never gonna be like YOU!! You can't control my free throws, and you can't control my LIFE!!"
*Brent dashes out of house, sobbing*
Posted on 7/4/16 at 4:13 am to PatDyesPants
Somewhat related, has anyone ever tried to play beer pong granny style?
This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 4:14 am
Posted on 7/4/16 at 4:36 am to LakeViewLSU
Why would a guy be banned from an arena for distracting a FT Shooter?
Posted on 7/4/16 at 5:53 am to PatDyesPants
If you get paid $30,000 more for better FT percentage...do you shoot uderhanded?
Posted on 7/4/16 at 6:59 am to Pectus
There was an act on the podcast 'This American Life' last week about this theory. It was fascinating.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 8:47 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
and i can appreciate that but do we have actual stats to point to underhand freethrows being a better alternative? there is a formula in this thread but i legitimately dont see how it applies to underhand shooting and if someone could explain it that would be great
Listen to Gladwell's Revisionist History podcast on this subject. It's pretty damn interesting.
Gladwell's argument is as follows:
1. Underhand shooting starts from a much more natural position. Our arms hang loosely in front of us 99% of the day as opposed to holding a ball in front of us as most people do to start an overhead shot.
2. There are fewer moving parts in an underhand shot. Similar to point 1, it's a very simple shot mechanically whereas an overhead shot requires more from your lower body as well as much more movement and bend in your arms and wrists. Almost all sports mechanics are about simplicity so this leads to the underhanded shots supposed superiority.
3. As some have said, it's a softer, more forgiving shot. Not sure what the physics are that support this, but that's what he claims.
4. The only real example we have of someone who completely changed was Wilt. He went from being like a sub 40% free throw shooter historically to a plus 60% free throw shooter the one season he switched to underhand. As mentioned in this thread, when he scored 100 he was like 28 of 32 on free throws which is still the most free throws ever made in a game. That sort of improvement (50% in a season) is unheard of in sports. Granted one person isn't a very responsible sample size, but it's still quite an improvement.
Gladwell's entire podcast is that the only thing limiting the underhanded shot's popularity is the stigma associated with it. Wilt himself switched back to over handed after that one season even though he knew it was a worse shot for him.
It's definitely an interesting argument.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 8:52 am to FootballNostradamus
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Gladwell's entire podcast is that the only thing limiting the underhanded shot's popularity is the stigma associated with it. Wilt himself switched back to over handed after that one season even though he knew it was a worse shot for him.
people who assume NBA players do everything possible to maximize their game ignore some real examples like this
or your tyreke/rondo types
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