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Rooney Rule questions and thoughts
Posted on 8/10/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 8/10/16 at 4:36 pm
I'm listening on mad dog radio and they're debating it.
Dukes keeps saying the NFL should broaden the rule to coordinators and all positions.
How do these guys not feel less of a person during these interviews with these rules?
If we are fighting for EQUALITY, how does this help?
Dukes keeps saying the NFL should broaden the rule to coordinators and all positions.
How do these guys not feel less of a person during these interviews with these rules?
If we are fighting for EQUALITY, how does this help?
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 4:40 pm to WHATDOINO
IDK if they should do away with the Rooney Rule. But I do think that it needs to be modified in a few ways. The NFL has a high level of nepotism. Which isn't going to change anytime soon.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 4:44 pm to JBeam
It's definitely in need of an overhaul but it's been kind of a joke lately.
I actually think it hurts people more than it helps
I actually think it hurts people more than it helps
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 8/10/16 at 5:13 pm to WHATDOINO
It's my understanding that the rule says they have to at least interview one minority candidate.
If they are doing that, I don't see what the problem is.
If they are doing that, I don't see what the problem is.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 5:20 pm to JBeam
The NFL does need to get rid of nepotism, which of course disproportionately hurts minorities. However, the Rooney Rule targets minorities specifically, so I'm not sure that it has the positive impact needed on nepotism as a whole. Norv Turner was an awful HC and he got hired a few times. Interestingly, the NBA's nepotism these days has nothing to do with majority/minority. Byron Scott for example is a horrendous head coach who gets job after job just because he has held that title before.
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 8/10/16 at 5:25 pm to WHATDOINO
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actually think it hurts people more than it helps
I agree.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 5:25 pm to Tactical1
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It's my understanding that the rule says they have to at least interview one minority candidate.
If they are doing that, I don't see what the problem is.
Yeah I don't understand the issue.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 5:53 pm to TbirdSpur2010
It's got issues, but I don't see how you can argue that it hurts candidates.
You may get the token interview so to speak, but you wouldn't have got one in the first place without it.
ETA I can entertain the idea that it hurts because it is an easy out for owners and the front office.
You may get the token interview so to speak, but you wouldn't have got one in the first place without it.
ETA I can entertain the idea that it hurts because it is an easy out for owners and the front office.
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 8/10/16 at 6:10 pm to slackster
It's racists. They are forcing an owner to interview someone on race alone.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:29 pm to WHATDOINO
If I own a team then I should be able to interview and hire whoever I want to. I'm the one risking everything so I will want to hire the best available regardless of race or age.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:38 pm to WHATDOINO
I think it's a good rule. There have been times where a teams management thought they had their guy and a candidate came in and blew them away and got the job.
If a guy comes in and interviews well, but doesn't get the job, word gets out that 'hey this guy did a great job we were really Impressed'. Leads to move Interviews/opportunities.
More interviews is always a good thing when it comes to practicing and fine tuning your presentation.
If a guy comes in and interviews well, but doesn't get the job, word gets out that 'hey this guy did a great job we were really Impressed'. Leads to move Interviews/opportunities.
More interviews is always a good thing when it comes to practicing and fine tuning your presentation.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:41 pm to bulldog95
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If I own a team then I should be able to interview and hire whoever I want to
Owning an NFL team is like buying a McDonalds franchise. You may own that specific team/restaurant, but ultimately you answer to corporate, in this case the NFL. You don't get to make your own rules.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:50 pm to bulldog95
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If I own a team then I should be able to interview and hire whoever I want to. I'm the one risking everything so I will want to hire the best available regardless of race or age.
That's great and all, and the Rooney rule is flawed, but you're kidding yourself if you think the best guy for the job is the one who gets it. It is subjective as hell and failures are rehired religiously.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:50 pm to WHATDOINO
The rule is racist feel good bullshite.
A common fallacy is that coaches should reflect the same percentages as players - they are two completely different skill sets.
The question is how does the number of black head coaches compare to the number of black guys toiling away in shiitty jobs in shitty places working their way up the ladder.
A common fallacy is that coaches should reflect the same percentages as players - they are two completely different skill sets.
The question is how does the number of black head coaches compare to the number of black guys toiling away in shiitty jobs in shitty places working their way up the ladder.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:58 pm to gthog61
I'm confused. Some of y'all are acting like the rule means they have to hire the black coach....
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:30 pm to WHATDOINO
the rule could die overnight if football as a sport stopped recycling coaches over and over
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:45 pm to WinnPtiger
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the rule could die overnight if football as a sport stopped recycling coaches over and over
There's a reason the guy got the job in the first place. These recycled hires make sense to me. They are good at selling themselves.
The GM and scouting department make or break a coach a lot of coaches.
I think Belichick's success in NE has a lot of teams saying "what if?" when making a recycled hire. Carrol at Seattle is another good example. Having a good QB can make most look good.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:55 pm to Boomshockalocka
I would think some ingenious assistant coach would come up with a workaround business for this an do interviews for $10K a pop. You could easily make 50-60K a year. These GM's know who they're hiring before ever interviewing a single candidate.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:05 pm to skullhawk
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There's a reason the guy got the job in the first place.
frequently there isn't a reason, or at least a good one, other than nepotism. football has changed more than baseball or basketball over the last 20 years or so. and despite that, mediocre to below average coaches(record wise, though I'll readily concede your point about GM's/QB's having a major impact) continue to be hired i.e. Jeff fisher
this isn't an argument for the rule, the rule is insulting to black coaches and coaching as a profession. but the NFL has a major issue with recycling coaches
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 8/10/16 at 11:35 pm to WHATDOINO
The Rooney rule is only about interviews. It doesn't require actual hirings. I don't see a problem with it.
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