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re: Roger Goodell needs to man up
Posted on 9/9/16 at 12:00 pm to Goyas
Posted on 9/9/16 at 12:00 pm to Goyas
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Cool but let the wife beaters and rapist play
Guess you and me just don't agree on much huh.
I didn't say the wife beaters and rapists should play did I??? Accuse me of something I didn't do, just like people are accused of being racist because we take a stance opposed to what some black people say.... Well I call you a racist sir, because you single me out as white and on the opposite side of an argument of a black individual. That seems to be enough nowadays to confirm that you are indeed racist.
I think they should be benched because if they don't have the decency to honor the country that affords them their lofty privileges of people who make millions to play a sport, then I don't think they should reap the benefits from that country anymore. Go play football in Europe.
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Posted on 9/9/16 at 12:31 pm to ColeLSU
quote:A coaches job is to put the best team on the field, not to define playing time according to politics or beliefs.
Just wish we'd do like that hockey and say "You wanna sit? Fine. But dont expect to play."
Posted on 9/9/16 at 12:33 pm to shel311
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A coaches job is to put the best team on the field, not to define playing time according to politics or beliefs.
Kind of like a players job is to play football.... ?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 1:08 pm to ColeLSU
quote:Yes, and Kaep standing/kneeling has not stopped him in any way from playing football, so you may have to clarify the point you were trying to make there?
Kind of like a players job is to play football.... ?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 1:22 pm to shel311
My point is you cant just tell one person to shut up and do his job without telling everyone that.
Kaeps job is to show up and play football. But you say he has the right to voice his opinion by kneeling/sitting for national anthem...
But you say Tortorellas job is to field best team, he shouldnt input his voice. He's the coach of (get this) the AMERICAN national hockey team. His opinion/right/ job is to put whoever on the ice he wants.
Maybe his actions get him fired (doubt it) but hes standing up for what he believes in.... doesnt seem to count though, right? Hes oppressing his players. Note, hes not affecting their pay/job, hes taking away the privilege of playing.... All for it. Good for him.
Kaeps job is to show up and play football. But you say he has the right to voice his opinion by kneeling/sitting for national anthem...
But you say Tortorellas job is to field best team, he shouldnt input his voice. He's the coach of (get this) the AMERICAN national hockey team. His opinion/right/ job is to put whoever on the ice he wants.
Maybe his actions get him fired (doubt it) but hes standing up for what he believes in.... doesnt seem to count though, right? Hes oppressing his players. Note, hes not affecting their pay/job, hes taking away the privilege of playing.... All for it. Good for him.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 1:40 pm to ColeLSU
quote:Ok, so just to clarify, you'd support Tortorella's right(or take any NFL coach, same thing) to tell anyone who does NOT sit for the Anthem to be benched? I want to make sure you're consistent, and not just choosing your rights based on the side you're taking.
His opinion/right/ job is to put whoever on the ice he wants.
His job isn't to mix his beliefs into the national team, it's to win games. Him doing that affects the team around him in the actual games. Kaep kneeling before a game doesn't affect any of his teammates in an actual game. You realize that difference make the 2 apples and oranges, right?
quote:Which one are you talking about? I'm ok with the 49ers cutting Kaep over this if they wanted, fwiw.
Maybe his actions get him fired (doubt it) but hes standing up for what he believes in.... doesnt seem to count though, right?
quote:That affects everyone on the entire team, not just him and the person he's sitting. Again, that's the difference.
, hes not affecting their pay/job, hes taking away the privilege of playing
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 1:47 pm to shel311
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Ok, so just to clarify, you'd support Tortorella's right to tell anyone who does NOT sit for the Anthem to be benched?
Would I support it? No. Does he have the right to do it...yes. It'd be up to each player wha tto do, what they believe.
Again, We're talking about the AMERICAN team, so sitting for the anthem is a little more egregious here than in Kaeps case, but bottom line, the coach is the position of power, he laid out the consequences, so each can do what he wants.
As far as the team, if I'm an American hockey team member, and a teammate sat the anthem, he can sit the bench too...I dont want him with me on the ice. I suspect 'most' would not have a problem with the benching
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 1:50 pm to ColeLSU
quote:The bottom line is in the 2 scenarios, 1 affects the team on the field, and the other doesn't.
but bottom line
Nothing more, really.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 1:51 pm to shel311
Whos team does it affect? Who are the players playing under? Tortorella? But you say he cant say who plays and who doesnt....
You think a high school kid is failing class cant be benched by a HS coach? Its the kids right not to try hard, but there are consequences right...?
Live with your actions....nothing more. Tortorella team, Tortorella rules. What do you not get?
You think a high school kid is failing class cant be benched by a HS coach? Its the kids right not to try hard, but there are consequences right...?
Live with your actions....nothing more. Tortorella team, Tortorella rules. What do you not get?
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 1:56 pm to ColeLSU
quote:Are you arguing that benching a player has no affect on the entire team?
Whos team does it affect?
quote:His job is to field the team that gives him the best chance of winning.
But you say he cant say who plays and who doesnt....
quote:Ahhh man, GREAT comparison LOL.
You think a high school kid is failing class cant be benched by a HS coach?
quote:I get the difference between a decision that affects none of your teammates in game and a decision that adversely affects all of your teammates. I know I get that, and you clearly do not as you've posted 3 times not having a clue how that works.
What do you not get?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:01 pm to shel311
Its not up to the teammates. The coach sets the rules, if you wanna play you abide by them.....
If the coachs rules are out of line, he answers for it... Because Tortorella has more power he has to cave in his beliefs??? You seem to think so. If Chip Kelly wanted he could bench Kaep (if he were starting). Its his right.
Benching a player has an affect on the team, but its his team to affect....he can do what he wants.
If the coachs rules are out of line, he answers for it... Because Tortorella has more power he has to cave in his beliefs??? You seem to think so. If Chip Kelly wanted he could bench Kaep (if he were starting). Its his right.
Benching a player has an affect on the team, but its his team to affect....he can do what he wants.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:04 pm to Forkbeard3777
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Wouldn't that welcome a lawsuit for violating one's First Amendment Constitutional freedoms?
That is not how any of this works. Take a bullhorn and start screaming how shitty your company is right in-front of your building. They will fire your arse with a quickness. Make a post about how much you hate gays on Facebook, your company will probably fire you with a quickness.
The Constitution is limits on government, not limits on individuals.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:04 pm to ColeLSU
quote:Do you work? How would you feel if your boss made some absurd rule based on his personal beliefs and insisted YOU have to start abiding by them, something that goes against everything you believe in? I'm sure you'd be totally fine with it and not think it was unfair at all.
Its not up to the teammates. The coach sets the rules, if you wanna play you abide by them.....
quote:He should leave his beliefs out of coaching a team, his beliefs should be irrelevant.
Because Tortorella has more power he has to cave in his beliefs???
quote:How do you still not understand my stance about 1 affecting the team and the other not? I'm starting to question whether you're just messing with me at this point, making it too obvious to take serious.
You seem to think so
quote:Is this real life?
Benching a player has an affect on the team
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:10 pm to shel311
quote:
How would you feel if your boss made some absurd rule based on his personal beliefs and insisted YOU have to start abiding by them
Guess I wouldnt work there. Sucks for me but its his company.....
quote:
his beliefs should be irrelevant.
Why? He's loses his voice because of his job?
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How do you still not understand my stance about 1 affecting the team and the other not?
Kaep doesnt run his team. Tortorella runs his. Tortorella can answer to his boss, not the players.
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Is this real life?
Whats crazy about that?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:14 pm to ColeLSU
quote:Boss doesn't equal owner. Tortorella has to answer to someone, he's not the CEO/owner.
Guess I wouldnt work there. Sucks for me but its his company
quote:Because it has nothing to do with his job. His beliefs as it pertains to his job are entirely irrelevant.
Why? He's loses his voice because of his job?
quote:So they're both employees who have to answer to someone, is that what you're saying?
Kaep doesnt run his team. Tortorella runs his. Tortorella can answer to his boss, not the players
Again, 1 decision affects everyone around you, the other does not.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:20 pm to shel311
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Boss doesn't equal owner. Tortorella has to answer to someone, he's not the CEO/owner.
And? If the owner doesnt agree with Tortorella then he gets the axe. However at the moment its his team to run how he sees fit.
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Because it has nothing to do with his job. His beliefs as it pertains to his job are entirely irrelevant.
Then Kaep should keep his opinions to himself while at his job. At least according to you right?
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Again, 1 decision affects everyone around you, the other does not
So what? This has nothing to do with the other teammates. They have no say. Play by the rules or get out. Goes for everyone. If a player went around saying "I think a man should beat his wife", does the coach not have the right to bench him or another consequence? Its the COACHS decision, not players.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:25 pm to ColeLSU
quote:Yea, you're fricking with me at this point.
Then Kaep should keep his opinions to himself while at his job. At least according to you right?
If you don't see how Kaep doing what he's doing has no affect whatsoever on his team in game, you're just trolling at this point.
Good talks!!!
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:36 pm to shel311
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If you don't see how Kaep doing what he's doing has no affect whatsoever on his team in game, you're just trolling at this point.
No I see it. I'm just saying Tortorella has the right to have it affect his team. Its his team.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:55 pm to shel311
Earlier you said you dont have a problem with 49ers cutting Kaep over his actions, but you do have a problem with Tortorella benching his players.... 
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:59 pm to ctiger69
I like how everyone is for freedom of speech until it rustles your jimmies/feelings and then you want to take it away.
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