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re: Report: Kyle Lowry and Heat have mutual interest

Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:23 pm to
Well he scored 14 in game one.

Either way, the Heat lost that game down low. They didn't have anyone athletic enough to hedge on screens and stay with Parker when he drove.

They also didn't have someone down low to get offensive rebounds. Anderson looked like a little child trying to jump to get a rebound surrounded by a bunch of adults out there.

PG was also a huge problem obviously, Chalmers would drive and just basically hand the ball to the Spurs when he picked up his dribble in the paint. It was painful.

But I think LeBron could have had a lot more to work with if he had someone to help out defensively and make some assembelence of a post game.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13610 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:23 pm to
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The series was lost at the point position.
and the shooting guard position...


seriously though, where does lowry rank on the top PG list?
paul
westbrook
parker
rose
curry
lillard
kyrie
rondo
wall
deron williams?
bledsoe?
rubio?
ty lawson?
conley?
teague?

i mean hes not a top 10 PG. hes muddled somewhere in the 12-15 range. hes not worth $10M/yr.
Posted by JGTiger
Member since Aug 2007
2940 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:24 pm to
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And LBJ is great at ball handling. But thats also why I think they need a legit PG... that way LBJ wont have to do everything and have the ball at all times. Im in no way a Heat fan... but I do feel for LBJ. He left Cleveland because he didnt have any help. He gets to Miami... and nothings really changed. He still has to lead his team in ppg, rebs, assists, steals, and guards the other teams top player just so they can have a chance at winning. He pretty much has to be near a triple double for them to have the chance at being successful.


He is the best player on the planet and it's not debatable. LBJ either needs to be the offensive post player that he should be and they get a good option at the point or he should move back to the point and spend the money on an inside player (not just a big, but someone to bang on the inside and not hang out on the 3 point line).
As for the last line that I quoted, he needs to average near a triple double because that is what the best do. All this reducing of LBJ's roles talk in the tread are ridiculous. My opinion, he needs to do more. He has stated he wants to be the greatest ever, and he should start with either being a post presence on his team or making sure they get one.
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
13623 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:26 pm to
Does anyone think the Heat win this series with Lowry on the team?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76544 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:27 pm to
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Does anyone think the Heat win this series with Lowry on the team?


No. But they don't win it with Chandler out there either.

Both of them maybe.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
34940 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:32 pm to
Adding an expensive point guard to this Miami Heat team would be kinda like putting really nice sails on a yacht while ignoring the hole in the side of the boat.
Posted by Dr. Shultz
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jun 2013
6391 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:35 pm to
To all of yall saying the Heat need a big center to clog up the middle... You obviously don't know shite about how the Heat and how they play.

They don't need a guy who can only play near the rim, because that clogs the paint which is where D Wade and LeBron do their best work. Why do you think they moved Chris Bosh to Center and have him playing on the perimeter??


The Heat just need some better bench players.

In a perfect universe. D Wade would become a 6th man and they could get an above average SG to take his place who can actually play some good defense and hit a 3 every now and then. But that's not gonna happen
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:38 pm to
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Maybe Lebron should adjust his playing style so players other than shooters are "fits"


But it's been proven that the formula works. Just need to get a couple of players in place specifically for that purpose, and not try to sign lost causes like Beasley and Odom to save a couple of bucks.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278575 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:39 pm to
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Why do you think they moved Chris Bosh to Center and have him playing on the perimeter??


Lol. What else should they do? They don't have any options.

Still need to defend the other end. And a big man doesn't exactly have to stand there and "clog the lane" whatever the frick that means
Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
5874 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:40 pm to
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hes muddled somewhere in the 12-15 range. hes not worth $10M/yr.

I have him in the same category with Lawson, Jrue, and Conley, so looking at their contracts, 10mil is about the markey value for Lowry.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76544 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:41 pm to
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To all of yall saying the Heat need a big center to clog up the middle... You obviously don't know shite about how the Heat and how they play.

They don't need a guy who can only play near the rim, because that clogs the paint which is where D Wade and LeBron do their best work. Why do you think they moved Chris Bosh to Center and have him playing on the perimeter??


Defensively, idiot.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:50 pm to
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no. fricking. way. bosh is 10 times more difficult to replace and though im not a big d-wade guy, hes a future HOFer. i think youre giving a guy whos been in the league for 8 years and never really done shite wayy too much credit.


And you are giving guys who are shells of their former selves too much credit. Both Wade and Bosh were great, but they arent what they used to be. Especially Wade, who has major health issues that cause his to miss, at the least, 20 games a season. Hes a HOFer, no doubt. But its for what he was, not what he is right now or what he will be in the future.

And Bosh is a PF that only shoots 3s and is never in the paint. And im a Bosh fan and thinks he gets a lot of undeserved criticism. Hes the 1 that sacrificed the most when he came to the Heat. But hes turned into a 3pt shooting PF, not that great at it either. Hes never in the paint, which kills the Heat in rebounding. These last 2 seasons with the Heat, hes had career lows in rebounding (6.7rebs) and career highs in 3pt attempts. Coincidence? Nope.

And Lowry is 1 of those guys that has had his fair share of ups and downs and bumps and bruises during his NBA career and has some injuries early on. But hes come out of it as a really good player. Hes 1 of those guys that has improved a little bit each year, and has turned into a top 10 PG. He can do it all. Score, shoot the 3, assist, rebound, steals, and doesnt turn it over that much.

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but hes more feisty and overachieving than blue chip franchise cornerstone.
Who said anything about him being a franchise cornerstone?? Youve got Lebron fricking James for crying out loud. Oh, and feisty is exactly what the Heat need.

And in regards to his role... I agree LBJ is a great facilitator. But you dont think some of the Heats problems are because LBJ has to literally do everything and always have the ball in his hands, just so they can have a chance at winning? He has to lead the team in ppg, rebs, assists, steals, and guard the other teams top player. Pretty much has to have around a triple double for them to be in the game. Getting a legit PG that can create for himself and for others would take the ball out of LBJs hands more, which would keep him fresh. And he wouldnt have to always have the ball in his hands. And LBJ is great without the ball in his hands... he moves great without the ball and can find open space. And he still would have the ball in his hands a lot, more than anyone else on that team.

And dude... Lowry for $10m is a damn good deal and reasonable. $10m a year would put him at the 10th-12th highest paid PG in the NBA, depending on how the contract is set up.... which is what he should be paid as. He would be the 2nd best player on that team behind LBJ.

Either way, I dont see Toronto letting Lowry leave.
Posted by Dr. Shultz
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jun 2013
6391 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:54 pm to
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Lol. What else should they do? They don't have any options.

Still need to defend the other end. And a big man doesn't exactly have to stand there and "clog the lane" whatever the frick that means



What else should they do? Play him at the position he played at his entire career maybe? Power Forward? Let him play down low like he did all the time while he was in Toronto when he was averaging 24\11??

The Heat don't need a post presence because they don't want another one. If they did they would let Bosh play down there but it puts more bodys in the paint and takes away from LeBron and D Wades game.

quote:

Defensively, idiot.



So what's the guy going to do on the other end of the court?

The Heat want to play small ball.

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And Bosh is a PF that only shoots 3s and is never in the paint. And im a Bosh fan and thinks he gets a lot of undeserved criticism. Hes the 1 that sacrificed the most when he came to the Heat. But hes turned into a 3pt shooting PF, not that great at it either. Hes never in the paint, which kills the Heat in rebounding. These last 2 seasons with the Heat, hes had career lows in rebounding (6.7rebs) and career highs in 3pt attempts. Coincidence? Nope.



Bosh has gotten better, not worse. He still has a great post game and has increased his jump shooting ability tremendously since coming to Miami. THey just don't want him to post up and they play him on the perimeter. His rebounds are down as well because since they play small ball he is the center and he can't really hold his own against true centers. Couple that with him being on the perimeter the majority of the time and you see why his rebounding numbers are done.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 3:58 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36131 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:58 pm to
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So what's the guy going to do on the other end of the court?


rebound missed shots
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:59 pm to
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As for the last line that I quoted, he needs to average near a triple double because that is what the best do. All this reducing of LBJ's roles talk in the tread are ridiculous. My opinion, he needs to do more. He has stated he wants to be the greatest ever, and he should start with either being a post presence on his team or making sure they get one.


He still would be able to get ridiculous numbers though... thats the thing. I never said anything about reducing his role... all I said was take the ball out of his hands a little bit more, allow him to play off the ball and run off of screens / post up more. at the notion that "the best average a triple double because thats what they do." MJ averaged 6rebs and 5 assists... is he not the GOAT?

Again, Im not saying reduce his role. Im saying giving him a legit PG that can create for himself and for others would allow LBJ to not always have the ball in his hands, which would allow him to post up / run off screens / playing off the ball. Which he is great at. He still will be having the ball PLENTY. If anything, his ppg would go up, rebs stay the same or go up. And he would still get 5 assists a game because thats the type of player he is.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278575 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

What else should they do? Play him at the position he played at his entire career maybe? Power Forward? Let him play down low like he did all the time while he was in Toronto when he was averaging 24\11??




and put who at Center? That's my point.


Do you think they are a better team when Bosh sits on the 3point line? Cause all he's done over the last 3 years if drift further and further away from the goal. His 3pt attempts are up, his rebounding is down.


At least adding a competent big man would allow them to play inside out when they wanted too and change the pace when needed. and help them defend teams like San Antonio. for as much as they might "clog the lane" on offense, they need someone to protect the rim on defense.
Posted by Dr. Shultz
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jun 2013
6391 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

rebound missed shots



Why would any team want a guy who can only rebound and clog up the paint? Look how well that worked out for OKC with Kendrick Perkins.

Posted by Dr. Shultz
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jun 2013
6391 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:03 pm to
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and put who at Center? That's my point.


Do you think they are a better team when Bosh sits on the 3point line? Cause all he's done over the last 3 years if drift further and further away from the goal. His 3pt attempts are up, his rebounding is down.


At least adding a competent big man would allow them to play inside out when they wanted too and change the pace when needed. and help them defend teams like San Antonio. for as much as they might "clog the lane" on offense, they need someone to protect the rim on defense.


They are a better team with Bosh at Center and sitting on the perimeter because it brings the opposing teams big out of the paint and takes away their shot blocking ability, thus forth clearing space for their two best players (or who were their best two players) in LeBron and D Wade.

With D Wade's health issues he isn't the same player anymore so this strategy might change in the near future, but over the past few years that was what was best for their team.

The only time it doesn't work quite as well is when the opposing team has two bigs, such as against the only two teams that have given them trouble over the past couple of years.

Pacers have David West and Roy Hibbert

Spurs have Tim Duncan and Tiago Splitter
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36131 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:04 pm to
you've heard of dennis rodman and the second bulls threepeat?


a big for defensive help and offensive rebounding would seem like a great fit. a much better fit than Carmelo for example
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49517 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:07 pm to
If the big 3 were willing to take a paycut, I think it would be smart for the Heat to offer the Bucks a draft pick/cap space for LARRY SANDERS! I think he's the exact type of player they need: great defender/rebounder, and athletic enough to run the floor and work in the P&R. Lebron is the type of player that can probably make him get his shite together.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 4:08 pm
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