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Question for you old farts regarding the North Carolina Tar Heels 4 Corner Offense
Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:49 am
I'm amazed that people would spend their hard earned money to watch that nonsense.
You're sitting in the stands, Michael Jordan & James Worthy are on the court, and you're sitting there watching them play keep away for the final 15 minutes of every game.
Someone told me that there was an old saying that Dean Smith is the only guy that could ever stop Michael Jordan.
What took so long for people to demand a shot clock ?
You're sitting in the stands, Michael Jordan & James Worthy are on the court, and you're sitting there watching them play keep away for the final 15 minutes of every game.
Someone told me that there was an old saying that Dean Smith is the only guy that could ever stop Michael Jordan.
What took so long for people to demand a shot clock ?
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 7:56 am to Bob Bass
Because people did get tired of watching them stand around and play keep away.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 8:00 am to Bob Bass
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What took so long for people to demand a shot clock ?
I’m wondering if there were people back then who tried to tell us that college hoops wasn’t supposed to be entertainment, therefore a shot clock wasn’t needed
Posted on 2/1/24 at 8:00 am to Pizza Dan
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Because people did get tired of watching them stand around and play keep away.
The question is why did people put up with that nonsense so long ?
What took so long for the shot clock to be implemented ?
The only thing that makes sense is that there were purists who didn't want the shot clock.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 8:07 am to Bob Bass
Mostly it was a counter to zone defenses. When teams played zone you could pull it out and force them into man to man to run your man offense. Smith began to use it once he had a lead to run clock, it became extreme and forced the shot clock to be introduced but it wasn’t like this pervasive thing throughout college bball to start.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 8:11 am
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:01 am to Bob Bass
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Someone told me that there was an old saying that Dean Smith is the only guy that could ever stop Michael Jordan.
Who's the only person to hold Jordan under 20? Dean Smith
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:11 am to Bob Bass
I remember a game between UNC and Duke. Carolina came out in the first half and played 4 corners. At halftime the score was 7-0 Duke. The final ended up 47-40. 
Dean Smith is one of the most overrated coaches ever.
Dean Smith is one of the most overrated coaches ever.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:19 am to Bob Bass
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The question is why did people put up with that nonsense so long ?
First of all the sport wasn’t nearly as popular then. It was in tv maybe once a week. The Tournament wasn’t as big a deal, was just starting to enter the national sports consciousness in the early 80s. Michael Jordan wasn’t a super star yet, no one outside of hard core UNC people perhaps a knew who he was really. But that’s also how it was played then. UNC fans didn’t care because they won. looking back at something especially from well before you were born looks very different than living through it.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:20 am to glassman
It’s the mindset of the times. It’s no different than how people allowed the bowl system to stay in place for 100 years instead of having a playoff. They were conditioned to accept it. The same debates and posts we see about the college football playoff and playoff expansion were the same debates regarding expanding March Madness (the regular season will be diluted and it’s too many games and travel for the student athletes, etc).
Now that we are decades into an expanded March Madness everyone is fine with it and it’s the accepted practice of the day. The same will be in years from now when the college football playoffs involve 30 plus teams. Much like in hoops, the regular season will be the appetizer where teams can have time to gel and try things out with losses and then get ready for the real season - the playoffs.
Now that we are decades into an expanded March Madness everyone is fine with it and it’s the accepted practice of the day. The same will be in years from now when the college football playoffs involve 30 plus teams. Much like in hoops, the regular season will be the appetizer where teams can have time to gel and try things out with losses and then get ready for the real season - the playoffs.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:50 am to Bob Bass
It was used to bleed a clock towards the end of a game. It was particularly useful for an underdog who might get up by 6 or more with 3 or 4 minutes left. But overall teams did not use it that much.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:53 am to Bob Bass
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I'm amazed that people would spend their hard earned money to watch that nonsense.
Well, Bob, sports evolve and grow with the passage of time. The forward pass used to not be a thing in football.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 11:54 am to Bob Bass
quote:Inertia is a powerful force.
What took so long for people to demand a shot clock ?
Why did it take so goddman long to have suitcases with rollers?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:02 pm to Bob Bass
Dean Smith said he didn’t like it but it worked. Boring is not a strong enough word.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:15 pm to Bob Bass
University of NC Charlotte perfected it, Cornbread Maxwell teams. Princeton pretty much does it with a shot clock.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:27 pm to Bob Bass
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What took so long for people to demand a shot clock ?
Some folks don't want change, it's nothing new in that regard even today.
But I never liked it. IMHO it cost Dean Smith at least 2 national titles. For sure the '77 Final loss to Marquette, even Al Macquire said as much, "they were whipping us pretty good then they went to the four corners and their sweat dried," Macquire said.
Some felt it was strategic coaching and coaches who used it often got complimented for being cerebral coaches. Even Dale who knew his reputation nationally was not as a strategist, but longed to be thought of as one, would use it a lot.
I can remember one time Dale went to it at home and the crowd booed the move, Dale had a conniption fit on the sideline screaming at the fans to cheer it not boo it, and of course post-game he went off about it too, saying fans at UNC gave standing ovations when they went into it...whether that is true or not I'm not sure mattered to Dale.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 12:54 pm to Jumpinjack
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Princeton pretty much does it with a shot clock.
which its funny that this is mentioned. in football teams like navy are scary because they burn the clock and change the pace.
When teams play SC in wbb, they always say their plan is get out and run and I always shake my head. It seems like the prime strategy against a really good team would be to take the air out of the ball and change the pace. Limit possessions, because the law of averages is going to catch you against a better team
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:12 pm to GamecockUltimate
I know I'm in the minority but I loved the 4 corner offense. Crisp passing and a backdoor layup every 2 minutes = Go Princeton!
Posted on 2/1/24 at 5:04 pm to Bob Bass
Go find the Cincinnati/Kentucky game from 1984 or 85. Final was like 25-11. Halftime score was like 11-4.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 5:28 pm to RunningJacket
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The same debates and posts we see about the college football playoff and playoff expansion were the same debates regarding expanding March Madness (the regular season will be diluted and it’s too many games and travel for the student athletes, etc).
Anyone saying expanding March Madness diluted the CBB season was right though. Do you see the B1G or SEC fighting over Kansas? UConn might be the most successful basketball program of the 2000s, and they can’t even get in a P4 league let alone the new P2.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 6:15 pm to Bob Bass
Like watching soccer yet people still watch that boring crap
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