re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"

There are plenty of people who were full grown adults in the 90s, are fully aware that Jordan had a cultivated marketing image as all marketable athletes do, and will still tell you all the same things about his nature and who he was

Recognizing greatness in the playoffs, recognizing aspects of personality in an athlete is not a childish mythology. To dismiss it all as invalid, the fantasy of duped rubes is just a flippant way to avoid real conversations regarding personality that can't be conveniently quantified

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You quoted a game that I was pointing out where he took over, then responded with a few things he did wrong.

How else am I supposed to take that other than you insinuating you disagreed with me? Honest question.

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Well I didn't disagree with you for starters. He was a beast that game when he lost the headband. I was just saying that a performance like that still would have been overshadowed by those two turnovers at the end of the game, right or wrong.

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I wouldn't say it sounds dumb, but I would say it doesn't make sense and/or I don't understand what you're trying to say.

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why does personality matter much when we are talking about athletes playing a game with objective data?

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because not all data in sports can be quantified and personality matters.

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To this day, I wonder if Phil has something against Pippen cause he never pops up in these bullshite quotes. Dude averaged 20/8/8 against Portland on 48% from the field.

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All I know is that as I said before, Phil is a hypocrite for making this quote, and that is because last year, he had this statement.

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"When I watch some of these playoff games, and I look at what's being run out there, as what people call an offense, it's really quite remarkable to see how far our game has fallen from a team game," Jackson said. "Four guys stand around watching one guy dribble a basketball."

The lack of structure extends even to the basic tenets of the game, Jackson said.

"I watch LeBron James, for example," he said. "He might [travel] every other time he catches the basketball if he's off the ball. He catches the ball, moves both his feet. You see it happen all the time. There's no structure, there's no discipline, there's no 'How do we play this game' type of attitude. And it goes all the way through the game. To the point where now guys don't screen -- they push guys off with their hands."

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Well for example Rasheed Wallace's confrontational personality led to a record number of technicals and measurably hurt his team.

You think in your profession someone who wilts under pressure due to weak personality makes no difference versus someone who thrives under pressure? (Just an example)

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Yes?

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ok?

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WTF are you arguing about? I never said you were wrong about anything you said

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I was asking outright to get clarification. I mean, in fairness, you can't really blame me for taking your post the way I did, right? Yes, you didn't flatly say you disagreed or he didn't take over, but you responded with things he did wrong, it's just not some crazy leap for me to assume that's where you were going with it.

I was just talking hoops. Not everyone is looking for an argument, m8.

First let me get out there that I think Jodan was better than Lebron.

With that said, as for Phil's comments - it's a lot harder for one player to "takeover" in today's NBA. Illegal defense rules made it possible for players to isolate and essentially play one on one a lot in Jordan's NBA. The Warriors can put as many guys between Lebron and the basket as they want. Not even Jordan is going to consistently take over if the defense plays you that way (again they could NOT play that way against Jordan). The vast majority of the time Lebron makes the correct offensive play.