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re: NIL restrictions
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:19 pm to SiriusBraveFan
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:19 pm to SiriusBraveFan
NIL simply isn’t sustainable. When Nike or Gatorade pay a professional athlete for endorsing their brand, there’s typically an ad campaign behind them to generate a return on the investment. Of all these NIL deals, show me how everyone throwing money at these kids is getting a return on their investment. A select few have ended up decent AD campaigns but that’s the exception. I’m sure there’s a little money in autographs but not to the extent that is being poured into these deals.
The real money is in the tv deals. The first conference to fundamentally understand this and cut their students athletes in on it is going to win the realignment war. All the stupidity that comes with the NIL will disappear.
The real money is in the tv deals. The first conference to fundamentally understand this and cut their students athletes in on it is going to win the realignment war. All the stupidity that comes with the NIL will disappear.
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:25 pm to ApexTiger
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:25 pm to ApexTiger
Potential restraint of trade makes this a federal issue.
NIL is not going away, it’s not going to be appreciably restricted and nobody is going to give what the old-school fans who want it to be like 1984 again any consideration at all. At all.
I fully understand that’s the reason that people are so pissed off right now, because college football has been one sport where fans … and for good reason IMO … have felt a proprietary and almost ownership interest, because of the traditions and the rabidness of their support and all the money they have spent on it for decades.
The pendulum has shifted and the players are driving the car and there may be some tweaks to bring things a little more into equilibrium but the old days are gone and never coming back. So you either keep watching or you don’t. It is what it is.
NIL is not going away, it’s not going to be appreciably restricted and nobody is going to give what the old-school fans who want it to be like 1984 again any consideration at all. At all.
I fully understand that’s the reason that people are so pissed off right now, because college football has been one sport where fans … and for good reason IMO … have felt a proprietary and almost ownership interest, because of the traditions and the rabidness of their support and all the money they have spent on it for decades.
The pendulum has shifted and the players are driving the car and there may be some tweaks to bring things a little more into equilibrium but the old days are gone and never coming back. So you either keep watching or you don’t. It is what it is.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:39 pm to jcole4lsu
Oh, you guys want regulation now? I mean the Supreme Court declared salary caps unconstitutional.
And don’t get me wrong that sucks, but it’s also pretty consistent and very American — Limits are bad, deregulation is good, and to these ideals the context never matters.
Promising millions to 17 year olds, predatory agents running wild, a general excess of money that could definitely be put to much better use (And I mean the whole fkn entertainment economy, not just NIL) — this is all in line with dominant socioeconomic ideals going back at least 50 years.
This is just the beginning — all economies are consolidating and class war is loading.
You reap what you sew.
And don’t get me wrong that sucks, but it’s also pretty consistent and very American — Limits are bad, deregulation is good, and to these ideals the context never matters.
Promising millions to 17 year olds, predatory agents running wild, a general excess of money that could definitely be put to much better use (And I mean the whole fkn entertainment economy, not just NIL) — this is all in line with dominant socioeconomic ideals going back at least 50 years.
This is just the beginning — all economies are consolidating and class war is loading.
You reap what you sew.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:56 pm to ApexTiger
It boggles my mind the amount of people that still don't understand NIL after a few years. You can't "restrict" NIL. It's literally illegal to even try it. But if you don't like CFB right now, you won't like where it is going, and very fast, so maybe just stop watching?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:58 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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NIL simply isn’t sustainable. When Nike or Gatorade pay a professional athlete for endorsing their brand, there’s typically an ad campaign behind them to generate a return on the investment. Of all these NIL deals, show me how everyone throwing money at these kids is getting a return on their investment. A select few have ended up decent AD campaigns but that’s the exception. I’m sure there’s a little money in autographs but not to the extent that is being poured into these deals.
The real money is in the tv deals. The first conference to fundamentally understand this and cut their students athletes in on it is going to win the realignment war. All the stupidity that comes with the NIL will disappear.
Yes, NIL is sustainable. Very, very few guys are getting the big bucks deal. Most are on NIL deals that are very affordable for the collectives. There are also alums at most schools that are so rich they would be willing to part with a million to watch their team win because winning CFB gives you BDE.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:28 pm to Suntiger
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1)Direct payment by a booster results in ineligibility for a year and for any future pay. Wins are also forfeited as well as scholarships. It has to go through the school.
2) At the end of the year the payroll section pays 5th year players 25% of the funds collected, 4 year players get 22%, 3 year players get 20%, 2nd year players get 18% and first year players get 15%.
3) Transfers have to sit out one year unless you are a graduate student.
4) Transfers forfeit their pay for the prior year unless the coach is fired or leaves.
5) Kids who are cut or “processed” get severance pay.
6) If a player opt out of a bowl game or games, the player forfeits 5% of their pay that year.
Nobody would agree to this, but I love the effort put into the pitch.
There’s a reason NCAA was an amateur league to begin with — that reason is school.
If you put the football team on the payroll, does tuition money get allocated to cover their salaries? Because
Sadly, what makes the most logical sense is a semi-pro league that is entirely decoupled from the NCAA. I would honestly prefer to follow an actual amateur collegiate league with JuCo rosters than what we have now — the NFL already exists and I can’t believe I’m saying this the NFL does it better.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:10 pm to GhostofJackson
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It boggles my mind the amount of people that still don't understand NIL after a few years. You can't "restrict" NIL. It's literally illegal to even try it. But if you don't like CFB right now, you won't like where it is going, and very fast, so maybe just stop watching?
I love college football, you don't want to push people like me out,
I simply do not understand how we went from sanctioning schools for illegally paying players to now paying 2 million for a HS QB
help me understand what the in the hell happened in a court case?
the NCAA typically can do what it wants...
we are paying players to sign with schools calling it NIL
that is happening, the coaches are telling us "it is what it is"...thus the NCAA can and should step in and say "not so fast, that's not the intent of NIL"
we're putting in rules to ensure the intent is met but abuse will have stiff consequences!!!!
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:21 pm to GhostofJackson
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Yes, NIL is sustainable. Very, very few guys are getting the big bucks deal
there are 85 scholarship players, right so....
all of them are getting something at this point
could be 10 grand, could be 450k and we've heard from the coaches it's 1.5 million to 2 million for a 5 star QB...
but when you start pulling out your calculator...that adds up real quick. Add the "They didn't pan out factor"...
the boosters are the ones who cover the big salaries for the coaches...now you're asking rich alumni to ban together for a collective to create a large fund to divide up for incoming players...again, unproven players who don't have a name or image with the University yet...Never been on TV scoring a TD, hasn't pass a class yet...
Has not graduated HS yet...
the unsustainable part is the bidding keeps going up and up
Coaches are stuck saying to beat writers on the issues "It is what it is"
I personally have an issue with paying players in college athletics...
that's was never the deal, that's not an NCAA value...
If you haven't done shite on the field for LSU, like 99.9% of the fans have never heard of you because you've never been on the field, never earned a starting position, then why are you getting NIL? no one knows these players except small circles of people.
-it's pay to play, not NIL
So we can play word games and quote law or whatever, but NIL is not NIL at this point...
The NFL is the NFL, a job, for professionals...
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:25 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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what makes the most logical sense is a semi-pro league that is entirely decoupled from the NCAA. I would honestly prefer to follow an actual amateur collegiate league with JuCo rosters than what we have now — the NFL already exists and I can’t believe I’m saying this the NFL does it better.
I’d be all for that. I’d rather the XFL/USFL draft kids out of high school and have a 12 team league that is the feeder league for the NFL. Let college sports go back to being armature and severely punish any school that lets kids get paid. I’d also be okay with a salary cap on coaches. Any extra revenue goes to academics…you know, the reason for school in the first place.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:31 pm to ApexTiger
Im all for restricting NIL when we also restrict coaching salaries and how much schools make in TV money
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:43 pm to InkStainedWretch
quote:Then why are professional sports leagues able to have restricted free agency and salary caps?
Potential restraint of trade makes this a federal issue.
Wouldn’t those things be considered potential restraint of trade?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:56 pm to WestCoastAg
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Im all for restricting NIL when we also restrict coaching salaries and how much schools make in TV money
I am for Teacher & student roles being maintained here, meaning one is a professional (the coach) who is being paid to teach the student (the player)
Universities, traditions, TV, the NCAA has made college football the best thing going... it is entertainment, but it's the love of school that make the fan interest what it is today. It's very special, because it's kids who are enrolled in the school playing on the field.
Competition has driven into business but it's still college athletics, not pro sports.
Student athletes have always been treated really well...
they get a free education, free training, all the opportuneness in the world for 4 years.
So they want a cut in the profits? Okay well, we didn't all agree to that, and we sure didn't agree to pay to sign players.
paying players was the #1 no no violation in the NCAA, now we're going to pretend it's okay because we will call it NIL?
It's NOT NIL if the player hasn't even enrolled or made a contribution on the field?
So- recruiting and NIL need to be separated because it's led to corruption.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:00 pm to GusAU
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Wouldn’t those things be considered potential restraint of trade?
If someone with a motive wants to sue the NFL, there is now a Supreme Court precedent… so actually you could turn out to be right — just maybe not the point I think you wanted to make.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:14 am to DeathByTossDive225
quote:Please answer this…what exactly was the point I wanted to make?
so actually you could turn out to be right — just maybe not the point I think you wanted to make
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 12:15 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:37 am to BOSCEAUX
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Go back to the old transfer rules where you have to sit out a year unless you are a grad transfer o
The grad transfer rule should be eliminated, too.
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and I think the NCAA probably legally could institute a salary cap of sorts.
They 100% cannot.
The NFL can't regulate player endorsement deals, either.
The NCAA lost this case 9-0 at the Supreme Court. Alito and Sontamayor both agreed fully that the NCAA was breaking the law by limiting this. Think about how much impact that sort of ruling has. Any court that examines this issue will understand how limited the NCAA is in this area.
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If the athletes come back and say you are restricting my ability to earn then say ok you are now free to go pro straight out of high school
a. No schools, especially big ones, want this.
b. That's an NFL rule more than an NCAA rule.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:41 am to ApexTiger
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I simply do not understand how we went from sanctioning schools for illegally paying players to now paying 2 million for a HS QB
Because that restriction by the NCAA was illegal. Very illegal. So illegal you had the polar opposite ideologies on the Supreme Court agree it was illegal, because it was so blatant.
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thus the NCAA can and should step in
They can't. They lost this case. Bigly.
There is probably a limited framework where the NCAA could operate that would be legal, but they are scared of finding out what that limit is, because it would be very expensive. The NCAA should have listened to me 20 years ago on this issue and started to create the regulatory framework for NIL and I imagine it could have survived.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:42 am to ApexTiger
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we're putting in rules to ensure the intent is met but abuse will have stiff consequences!!!!
The Supreme Court doesn't care about your exclamation points.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:43 am to GusAU
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Then why are professional sports leagues able to have restricted free agency and salary caps?
Tell me the NFL's regulations and caps on endorsement deals.
quote:
Wouldn’t those things be considered potential restraint of trade?
Sure, but they are collectively bargained with a union representing the players. You want to open that can of worms in college, too?
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 7:44 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:47 am to ApexTiger
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We need common sense to prevail here. Provide student athletes funds when needs to need to met.
Makes sense
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