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re: NHL Free Agency thread
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:56 pm to Baloo
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:56 pm to Baloo
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Oshie score 0.70 points per game, and has for pretty much his whole career. Brouwer scores 0.50 PPG.
Well that settles that.
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Oshie is better. Brouwer is a frustrating player. I don't dislike him as much as many Caps fan do, who blame him for everything up to and including the assasination of JFK. But Brouwer is a passenger on his lines, and can't always cash the checks his mouth writes. And you want a disappearing act in the postseason, thy name is Brouwer. The only Cap who had a worse postseason was Green.
The irony in you claiming Brouwer is a terrible playoff performer inst lost on myself as a Blues fan watching Oshie. Actually, this whole post is ironic for me. Enjoy Oshie. We should revisit down he road and see where this ends up. I suspect the reaction will be pretty "meh" for both of us.
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:14 pm to kilo
I was really disappointed when the Pens were rumored for Oshie, I think everyone was. Glad it went the way it did. 
Pens have had enough no show in the playoffs type of players and Oshie is the king of them.
Pens have had enough no show in the playoffs type of players and Oshie is the king of them.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:25 pm to kilo
Well, you brought up disappearing in the playoffs. I was pointing out that is Brouwer's MO. In 35 playoffs games in Washington, he has has 3 G and 6 A. Oshie is 5-4-9 in 26 games over the same time period.
Oshie scores more goals, gets more assits, scores more points, has better Corsi numbers, creates more shots, and plays against tougher opponents than Brouwer's, Literally the only hockey related thing Brouwer does better than Oshie is take the occasional faceoff.
I don't like trashing a guy on the way out the door. A lot of Caps fans HATED Brouwer, which was a shame. He was more of a lightning rod than he ever should have been, due to his contract and the fact he was one of the more media accessible players on the team. But still, he's a 2nd/3rd line tweener. I don't see how this trade improves the Blues at all.
Oshie scores more goals, gets more assits, scores more points, has better Corsi numbers, creates more shots, and plays against tougher opponents than Brouwer's, Literally the only hockey related thing Brouwer does better than Oshie is take the occasional faceoff.
I don't like trashing a guy on the way out the door. A lot of Caps fans HATED Brouwer, which was a shame. He was more of a lightning rod than he ever should have been, due to his contract and the fact he was one of the more media accessible players on the team. But still, he's a 2nd/3rd line tweener. I don't see how this trade improves the Blues at all.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:31 pm to Baloo
The Metropolitan division is going to be awesome this year 
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:45 pm to Baloo
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Oshie scores more goals
Last two seasons:
Oshie: 40g 151 GP
Brouwer : 42g 164 GP
There seems to be this "Oshie Legend" that I dont understand. he has sick hands no question. He has become soft. Doesnt show up in big games has no shot.Stopped playing physical after that nasty hit he took.
I liked Oshie and wished he would live up to the potential but he isnt going to fight for the puck. Just has become clear at this point. If the Caps fans think they just "lifted" an solid 1st line RW they are in for a rude awakening.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:57 pm to UltimateHog
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Pens have had enough no show in the playoffs type of players and Oshie is the king of them.
I really am glad to see someone recognize this outside of the incredibly stupid fandom he has built in St Louis.
Im glad to get Brouwer and the pick. There was no room for his 3rd line effort and his 1st line ego anymore. With Tarasenko and Jaskin coming up? Screw it.
Maybe he will find his heart after the trade. He has the talent but Im not sure.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:58 pm to kilo
I never fully realized how bad Oshie was in the playoffs until you mentioned it and I looked it up.
30 games, 5 goals 4 assists 9 points, -12 rating.
30 games, 5 goals 4 assists 9 points, -12 rating.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 1:23 am to UltimateHog
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I never fully realized how bad Oshie was in the playoffs until you mentioned it and I looked it up.
Yeah man, I wasnt making it up. Im not sure Baloo understands. "steal"!
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 1:24 am
Posted on 7/3/15 at 2:09 am to kilo
Your entire team chokes dick in the playoffs, don't get mad and pin it on one guy for just towing the company line.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 4:10 am to SprintFun
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Your entire team chokes dick in the playoffs, don't get mad and pin it on one guy for just towing the company line.
Who can question this type of analytical opinion?
Posted on 7/3/15 at 6:32 am to kilo
That's CBJ fans for you on here, you can tell they are new hockey fans since CBJ got somewhat relevant a few years ago, they randomly show up rarely in an NHL thread and say something out of nowhere rudely and misguided as well as dumb.
I like Oshie, I think like most from when he swept the country by storm in the Olympics, so it sucks that he wasn't able to build off that and hasn't lived up to the hype really at all, and he'll turn 29 this season.
If he is just a line swap with Brouwer and his line is Burakovsky-Beagle-Oshie, he will slip even further into obscurity.
I like Oshie, I think like most from when he swept the country by storm in the Olympics, so it sucks that he wasn't able to build off that and hasn't lived up to the hype really at all, and he'll turn 29 this season.
If he is just a line swap with Brouwer and his line is Burakovsky-Beagle-Oshie, he will slip even further into obscurity.
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 7:08 am
Posted on 7/3/15 at 7:07 am to kilo
It is in fact highway robbery. If he can get 55 pts in 72 games with Backes and Steen, I like his chances to be a POINT PER GAME player with Backstrom/Kuzy and Ovechkin. If there's a team that chokes harder than the Caps, it's certainly the Blues.
The Caps are creating a new culture and I'm excited to see what Oshie can bring to the table. Enjoy Brouwer's yearly 40 points. He's a real dynamo in the regular season and playoffs with world class players.
The Caps are creating a new culture and I'm excited to see what Oshie can bring to the table. Enjoy Brouwer's yearly 40 points. He's a real dynamo in the regular season and playoffs with world class players.
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 7:09 am
Posted on 7/3/15 at 7:09 am to UnluckyTiger
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If there's a team that chokes harder than the Caps, it's certainly the Blues.
So take that teams biggest choker? Hmmm.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 7:13 am to UltimateHog
Caps are creating a new Culture. Brouwer is what he is. Let's see what Oshie can do with Backstrom and Ovie.
By the way, have fun with your cap being tied up in Malkin, Crosby, and Phil.
By the way, have fun with your cap being tied up in Malkin, Crosby, and Phil.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 7:15 am to UnluckyTiger
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Let's see what Oshie can do with Backstrom and Ovie.
Will most likely be Williams with them, Oshie may get 2nd line RW, or just swap in Brouwers spot.
And feed the new culture shite to another Caps fan that might actually buy it, your culture is choking/fizzling out in the playoffs and you went and traded for the biggest choker available. Not changing shite but names on the back.
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By the way, have fun with your cap being tied up in Malkin, Crosby, and Phil.
Don't need to worry about that, will have A LOT of fun, just like the Blackhawks.
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 7:30 am
Posted on 7/3/15 at 7:52 am to UltimateHog
Williams is not a top 6 guy. He belongs on the the third line. Oshie will be on the first or second line.
Ovie-Kuz-Oshie
?-Backstrom-maybe Williams
I'm waiting to see if we let MOJO walk and if we trade Laich. Would love to bring Semin back.
Would like to keep Ward but Williams makes him expendable.
Ovie-Kuz-Oshie
?-Backstrom-maybe Williams
I'm waiting to see if we let MOJO walk and if we trade Laich. Would love to bring Semin back.
Would like to keep Ward but Williams makes him expendable.
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 7:54 am
Posted on 7/3/15 at 7:56 am to UnluckyTiger
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Williams is not a top 6 guy. He belongs on the the third line. Oshie will be on the first or second line.
Maybe, both line prediction sites had Williams on the first line so was guessing with them. I don't think Oshie is a good fit for top line though, with how he plays.
One thing is for sure, the Metro is just stupid, to a point that I think it will become a negative for the division, teams, and League. All 5 teams will make the playoffs, and any of those 5 could be the 1 seed.
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 8:01 am
Posted on 7/3/15 at 8:50 am to UltimateHog
quote:If this came from anybody but you, I might almost be offended.
That's CBJ fans for you on here, you can tell they are new hockey fans since CBJ got somewhat relevant a few years ago, they randomly show up rarely in an NHL thread and say something out of nowhere rudely and misguided as well as dumb.
Speaking of the cbj, just picked out the games for my half season ticket plan
Posted on 7/3/15 at 9:00 am to UltimateHog
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If he is just a line swap with Brouwer and his line is Burakovsky-Beagle-Oshie, he will slip even further into obscurity.
Ummmm... Beagle is nowhere near the Caps second line, and Brouwer played on the 2L all year. Bura didn't play all that much with Brouwer, though he bounced around a lot. If it's a straight line swap, it will be Johannson - Kuznetsov - Oshie with Ovie - Backstrom - Williams on the top line. Which slides Bura to the third line with Wilson and Mystery Player X. Beagle is a fourth liner. He'll spend the season with Chimera/Laich and Latta.
This past season was the first season in five years in which Brouwer was a positive possession player (50.8%!). Oshie's 51.9% Corsi was the second worst in his career. Even better, his teammates' production declines when he is not on the ice. Players who play with him see a boost in their possession and scoring. Brouwer is a passenger, who has little impact on his teammates' play.
Check out their production charts:
This isn't the Legend of Oshie or any such nonsense. This is TJ Oshie is demonstrably better player than Troy Brouwer. The Caps already added their top line wing -- Justin Williams. Oshies slides into the 2nd line RW slot, which has been a real sore spot of production.
This gives the Caps 7 legit top-6 players, which is a good problem to have. I'd honestly demote Mojo instead of Bura, but we'll see what Trotz does. Not like he'll stick with it. And because of moving contracts, it is quite possible the Caps will be able to re-sign Fehr for the 3rd line center job. If that happens, the Caps have upgraded all three of the their top three lines, which were already pretty damn good.
And and all that said, no one improved more than the Blue Jackets. The Metro will be a monster next season.
Posted on 7/3/15 at 9:54 am to SprintFun
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The Metropolitan division is going to be awesome this year
Meanwhile the Atlantic will probably be a train wreck with TB/Montreal battling and Detroit hanging around.
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