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Some games are shown nationally

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And that wouldnt matter for a local market ratings breakdown.......

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they were, but now they act as if they never did.

when you chalk it up to a bad matchup or low stakes, that's what you're saying. when you chalk it up to hurricanes and elections, that's what you're saying

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Maybe I'm confused, but when you chalk it up to a bad matchup, nothing to gain, elections, etc., what you're saying is that consumer interest is waning. People are choosing to do other things with their time.

The only one that is a temporary deal is weather related issues. The rest are just various ways to say consumer interest is declining. Saying it was because of a bad matchup or blaming it on the protest concedes the same point - people aren't watching.

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i'd like to just skip forward to the part where everyone agrees the quality sucks and the ratings suffer enough to the point the NFL fixes it...but I don't think the NFL will ever fix it.

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I tend to believe the majority of the people the NFL has lost are the fringe folks who they never really had in the first place. I'm not sure you'll get those people back regardless of the product on the field. People are doing other things with their time, and I'm not really sure how you change that. I believe the protest just sped up the process.

Cord cutting actually does hurt the broadcast channels. I would venture to guess that MANY of the people who just say "no more" to cable don't realize that they can still get the network channels for free and even fewer still probably go out and get an antenna, even as cheap and easy as they are now. I think most of those people just hook up the roku/fire tv and are content with netflix/hulu/etc...

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would venture to guess that MANY of the people who just say "no more" to cable don't realize that they can still get the network channels

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you don't think highly of people then.

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I think most of those people just hook up the roku/fire tv and are content with netflix/hulu/etc...

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hulu, sling fubo...local fox affiliate is on every single one with live tv. cord cutting isn't a be all excuse for espn because espn is available on these platforms.

nfl has problems, and it's not due to external factors outside of their control.

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ut I do think there is a valid issue regarding police "brutality" or harassment or however you want to phrase it (see the video of the white nurse in Utah being arrested for not drawing an unconscious patients blood w/out a warrant) and that will disproportionately affect blacks and other poor people in part because those groups commit more crime.

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But they aren't talking about police brutality. They are protesting police brutality to blacks as if it either only happens to them or disproportionately happens to them. That is the rub. They are full of shite, because it is ludicrous to think it is racially motivated given the stats.

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There is not an epidemic of blacks being killed by police but there are some individual stories of unarmed and or innocent people killed by police that merit attention.

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In most cases, they've involved people resisting arrest, but in some you are right, they are tragic. The problem to me is they magically care now because a black person was killed. Had it been a non-black, do you see these players protesting?

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I do think his whole stance is overblown self righteousness and ultimately does more harm to his "cause" than good.'

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It is a large reason race relations are getting worse. America didn't magically get more racist over the past decade because a half-black man became president. It was decisions and actions that made things worse from both sides, but only one side gets blamed. It made me embarrassed to be a liberal in all reality. They kept lumping even blatantly obvious cases of self-caused results of death by criminals with legitimate issues of overzealous police brutality. That only made the divide worse rather than closing it.

The NFL makes this all worse by picking a side clearly, and then letting players go out and make comments that "the owners treat them like slaves" or some such nonsense.

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It didn't go away.

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the play has been horrendous since 2014...it started to noticeably decline in 2012 but it wasn't affecting every team.

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your faux outrage

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you think i really give a shite if they kneel. like i'm ok with the rap sheets these guys have, but kneeling is where i draw the line?

I’d be open to that idea if we just started having elections last year

People don’t watch cnn on sunday afternoon. The networks run a slew of politically oriented shows on Sunday morning and then it’s football

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It’s not cord cutting It’s a lot of things, but the prevalent thing posted on this board all year is that there’s no decline in interest and the ratings are impacted by several external one time events and luck of the draw with teams on national broadcasts The local ratings puts that to bed

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it is cord cutting. do people assume that cord cutters are always gonna use an antenna or the official app the game is on free to watch legally? sometimes those streams suck, NFL a lot of times i will pull up an Acestream Link or some shitty Ad covered link just to watch a certain game rather than whatever game is on the directv fox and cbs feeds i get at home.

more and more people are becoming capable of finding and using illegal streams than ever before. i have tons of friends using the fire sticks that they had reprogrammed to watch any movie or live sports

Kind of a question for all.

How are bars recorded in the ratings?

It seems like going to a bar to watch the game is now as popular as ever