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re: NFL fines Garvin $25,000 for hit on "defenseless" punter Huber
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
That hit wouldn't have been legal on anyone. A helmet hitting another head with enough force to break a jaw is not secondary contact. It is unnecessarily rough, and should be flagged every time.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:56 pm to KillerNut9
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But after the Huber shite, they are going to broaden the rule to essentially say whenever the punter gets blown the frick up, it's a flag and illegal.
They don't need to broaden the rule, he already broke said rule.
I don't understand why you people are trying to defend THIS hit.
I agree the game is getting nerfed by these bullshite penalties, but this was a tPOS hit that was high and may cost Huber his living. Who knows how he returns from that hit.
There are so many other hits out there that are targeting or late that are so much more egregiously called illegal that this one getting all your panties twisted in knots is pretty dumb.
It was an illegal hit, move on.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Or you can't because they don't exist and you're talking out of your arse.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:56 pm to tigerpimpbot
Garvin is getting fined for the punter having a glass jaw.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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again, it's a bad rule that is only going to get more punters hurt
You can't go low on a change of possession either. I don't know why you keep saying this.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:58 pm to LNCHBOX
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That hit wouldn't have been legal on anyone.
that hit is 100% legal on non-QBs who are not "defenseless"
it is not a spear or launch
the NFL has created a perverse incentive by ruling all punters are "defenseless", which makes that hit violate the rule
without being "defenseless" (or a QB, who can't have anything touch his helmet), the hit is 100% legal
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:58 pm to LNCHBOX
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Or you can't because they don't exist and you're talking out of your arse.
um
you're completely missing the larger point being made
Posted on 12/18/13 at 5:59 pm to KosmoCramer
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You can't go low on a change of possession either. I don't know why you keep saying this.
where did i say anything about going low?
if the steeler had just planted his shoulder in the hip of that punter, he'd be in ICU right now facing possibly life-threatening issues. pick your poison
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
You can't hit the hip with a shoulder without leading with the helmet.
That would also be illegal.
That would also be illegal.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that hit is 100% legal on non-QBs who are not "defenseless"
no you can't hit someone in the head like that. Just can't. Feel free to argue til you're blue in the face. You know everything, the officials are all wrong. Blah blah blah.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if the steeler had just planted his shoulder in the hip of that punter, he'd be in ICU right now facing possibly life-threatening issues. pick your poison
Also a really good way to get yourself paralyzed.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you're completely missing the larger point being made
The one where you're full of shite because hits like that rarely happen? No, I got it.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:03 pm to KosmoCramer
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You can't hit the hip with a shoulder without leading with the helmet.
pretty sure this hit was illegal only b/c he was hit in the neck
if your helmet can't impact the body then you can't do anything to him. a form tackle "looking up" leads to helmet contact
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:04 pm to KosmoCramer
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Also a really good way to get yourself paralyzed.
how?
if you're spearing? sure
you can do this hit without looking down
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if your helmet can't impact the body then you can't do anything to him. a form tackle "looking up" leads to helmet contact
Maybe you could block with your arms?
This isn't a tackle, it's a block.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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The one where you're full of shite because hits like that rarely happen? No, I got it.
they do happen, over and over
the impact is not the same because the person receiving the impact is acting like a football player
pretty much every tackle on a RB on a running play will have shoulder/helmet impact
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:05 pm to KosmoCramer
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Maybe you could block with your arms?
i consider the shoulder similarly, especially how smaller players have to use them against bigger ones (obviously not applicable here, but the rules should be generally applies)
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how?
if you're spearing? sure
you can do this hit without looking down
A 6'3 LB is gonna hit a 6'0 punter on his hip without his head down?
He would have to be on his knees.
Just follow the damn rule, and block the punter with your arms and hands and take him out of the play.
Not that difficult.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i consider the shoulder similarly, especially how smaller players have to use them against bigger ones (obviously not applicable here, but the rules should be generally applies)
I do agree to some extent here. If this same play was done by a 5'10 DB he wouldn't have been fined. (but he wouldn't have broken his jaw either because he wouldn't have hit his chin with his helmet)
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:08 pm to KosmoCramer
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Just follow the damn rule, and block the punter with your arms and hands and take him out of the play.
how will WRs ever be able to effectively block LBs with this rule? it would completely take them out of the running game
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