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re: NFL completion rule needs to be changed
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:53 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:53 pm to Jcorye1
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I don't get the knighting for OBJ on this play, there are plenty of awful examples (Dez, Johnson, various others) that the OBJ play shouldn't be a rallying cry for change.
I was rallying back at the Megatron catch. Baw.
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:58 pm to SabiDojo
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So a guy who goes up for a catch, catches it, puts two feet on the ground, falls to the ground, and the ball comes out, you think it should still be a TD?
Yes, possession of the ball and two feet down until the end of the play.
If the play takes place in the endzone the play should be over as soon as the player is in the end zone with possession of the ball and two feet inbounds.
If the play does not take place in the endzone, then it should be over at possession of the ball with two feet down and stoppage of play due to down by contact or out of bounds. Once you are ruled either out of bounds or down by contact it should irrelevant if you lose control of the ball, because the play is over.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:57 pm to SabiDojo
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So a guy who goes up for a catch, catches it, puts two feet on the ground, falls to the ground, and the ball comes out, you think it should still be a TD?
This WAS football. Forever. Before the Megatron year when the rules were changed.
I don't understand why this needed to be changed. Not only does this make more sense, but it's also easier to interpret the rule.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 5:09 pm to bayoucracka
I think the simplest point to make in regards to OBJ play is that if that play was on the 50yd line it would have been ruled incomplete so the same should hold true in the endzone. Can't call something a catch that's not really just bc he's in the endzone
Posted on 11/16/15 at 7:45 pm to lsuesac
Re: Freeman TD
For any pass reception where the receiver ends up going to the ground, they have to have control through the catch ie 'complete the process'. It does not matter how many steps they take if going to the group while catching the ball. I disagree with this one and the Dez Bryant play but that is the current rule.
OBJ was not a catch by any means.
For any pass reception where the receiver ends up going to the ground, they have to have control through the catch ie 'complete the process'. It does not matter how many steps they take if going to the group while catching the ball. I disagree with this one and the Dez Bryant play but that is the current rule.
OBJ was not a catch by any means.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:44 am to MikeD
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For any pass reception where the receiver ends up going to the ground, they have to have control through the catch ie 'complete the process'. It does not matter how many steps they take if going to the group while catching the ball. I disagree with this one and the Dez Bryant play but that is the current rule.
We get the rule just that the rule is dumb. He caught it and started running with it. Who cares if he was "going to the ground" in the process. To me he became a runner before hitting the ground = catch. The way it should be. As it is now it just goes against common sense and leads to ridiculous calls like the INT in the Panthers game I linked earlier.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:59 am to etm512
quote:In that play he did not "take three steps." He caught the ball and was then going to the ground. If you catch the ball in the act of going to the ground you have to maintain it all the way through. The defender pops it out of his hands before hitting the ground (debatable if he was down yet or not) and basically "intercepts it" even though it looks like a fumble.
The rule leaves you open to this. How in the world this isn't considered a catch and then down by contact is beyond me. I know it "was called correctly" but that just mean the rule is broken. 3 steps with the ball, on the ground, then it comes out.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:02 am to etm512
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Found the Devonta Freeman one I mentioned earlier
And for this one, again, he catches it and is going to the ground with it. It's not like he caught it and started running around and then got in the end zone. The gif in that link doesn't show the ball come loose so I can't tell after that..but just from what it shows you can't call that a complete catch. He doesn't establish possession because he's falling as he catches it.
To me, receivers have to understand if they catch the ball as they're going to the ground, gaining possession has to be the priority. When try what Freeman does there or what Dez did in the no catch against Green Bay last playoffs, you're opening yourself up to getting it called incomplete.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:11 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:47 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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He doesn't establish possession because he's falling as he catches it.
Which is the point we are saying is beyond stupid. He clearly caught it and "made a football move" (actually made a few). He became a runner. Who cares if he is going to the ground or not? It defies common sense. So by this rule say Freeman caught it on the 20 and was hit just like he was there and stumbled 20 fricking yards to the endzone and then dropped it after he hit the ground like he did there - incomplete pass according to this rule because he was going to the ground correct?
Again by the new letter of the law we are all adjusting to it was called correctly. But to the point of this thread
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NFL completion rule needs to be changed
this is a prime example of why and is not the only one
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:49 am to etm512
Which is the point we are saying is beyond stupid. He clearly caught it and "made a football move" (actually made a few). He became a runner. Who cares if he is going to the ground or not
He didn't man
neither Ginn nor Freeman did. They're falling as they caught it.Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:10 am to TROLA
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NFL completion rule needs to be changed by TROLA
The ODB one is an anomaly that happens in the endzone.. I thought it was clear that he had possession and two feet down before the ball was knocked out.. With a TD being instantaneous then I presumed it was 6.. The rule makes them do all this other shite, like move and turn to complete a catch though so... The rule was applied correctly but it just seemed odd to me.
OBJ clearly caught and controlled the ball in the end zone. It's a crazy rule.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:23 am to uway
Lol dude.
You guys are beyond help.
You guys are beyond help.
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