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re: New summer pro football league will offer a paid alternative to college football
Posted on 1/11/17 at 12:23 pm to sugar71
Posted on 1/11/17 at 12:23 pm to sugar71
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What kind of coaches do they think will be in this "league"?
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Ex NFL players & coaches?
There are only 32 Head coaching jobs & some very capable people just don't get opportunities in the NFL.
Can't these guys get coaching jobs in college?
When the XFL started up they had a bunch of retread pro and college coaches. Gerry Dinardo had just been fired from LSU and he ended up with a head coaching spot in the XFL. That's the type of coaches you will get in this developmental league. To claim that the coaching will be better there than in college is laughable.
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 12:31 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:If you're going for the joke, well done.
Why would I go play for $50k when I could get well over 100k at an sec school?
Otherwise, $50 in cash is a heck of a lot more valuable to most than $100k which is paid in something they likely won't ever use.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 12:32 pm to UF
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This could really hurt CFB as freshman and sophomore standouts may flock to this league because it will be small, attention will be focused directly on draftability, and they'll only have to play 33% of a normal college season, meaning fewer chances to get hurt.
I could also see the JUCO ranks getting crushed by this. If you are a 3-5 star player but don't have the test scores to get cleared by the NCAA, would you rather slum it in JUCO or go make $50k/yr for 3 years.
Or if you are a player that gets released from your top tier program for various reasons, why go to an FCS school when you can go there an have a better chance to get noticed.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 12:43 pm to Bench McElroy
This will go nowhere.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:01 pm to UF
Unless it produces better qb's, the NFL wont pay for long.
they get the milk for free, right now. and they do not like to pay for anything, unless forced.
IF this ends up producing Qb's, and better fundamental players, possibly. If not, no way NFL pays for more than a couple years.
they get the milk for free, right now. and they do not like to pay for anything, unless forced.
IF this ends up producing Qb's, and better fundamental players, possibly. If not, no way NFL pays for more than a couple years.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:48 pm to Bench McElroy
This has potential:
1. Natural athletes, troubled classroom students will flock to this league. Money now. $50,000 a year for up to 3 years in the hands of an 18, 19, & 20 year old AND 0 class required = immediate win for the players.
2. Traah football fans will LOVE this if the teams have scantily clad dancers that are shown OFTEN.
3. The greater sports public is TIRED of MLB all summee long & NBA bball just isn't exciting anymore. Competitive football on TV, on a decent channel, will garner an audience.
4. Film study & strength/conditioning will be an interesting aspect to see how this league goes. With no college classes, the players are especially available for 12-15 days of film study, dietary planning/scheduling, & weight room time.
5. Fewer games & likely fewer full pad practices will provide the NFL with fresher bodies after their respective 3 year mark. This will be huge for RBs & LBs.
1. Natural athletes, troubled classroom students will flock to this league. Money now. $50,000 a year for up to 3 years in the hands of an 18, 19, & 20 year old AND 0 class required = immediate win for the players.
2. Traah football fans will LOVE this if the teams have scantily clad dancers that are shown OFTEN.
3. The greater sports public is TIRED of MLB all summee long & NBA bball just isn't exciting anymore. Competitive football on TV, on a decent channel, will garner an audience.
4. Film study & strength/conditioning will be an interesting aspect to see how this league goes. With no college classes, the players are especially available for 12-15 days of film study, dietary planning/scheduling, & weight room time.
5. Fewer games & likely fewer full pad practices will provide the NFL with fresher bodies after their respective 3 year mark. This will be huge for RBs & LBs.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:00 pm to Dire Wolf
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Hopefully players realize that they are getting a better deal by going to college. $50,000 in Southern California isn't shite
Uh, we talking 6-8 games? Maybe 4-6 weeks of practice/training. so $50k for 3-4 months of work aint bad.
Plus if they're professionals and pretty damn good Im sure their agent will kick in some cash to help pay some bills maybe let them borrow a ride!
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:04 am to WilsonPickett
This has potential. I mean if you're a 5 star recruit why not get paid to develop as a football player and go to a local community college to get your freshman and sophomore level courses done at a less competitive and teaching focused environment.
Yes you can't go to college if you do this, but everyone is upfront about what is expected. You don't have to go to school if you don't want and just play football.
Now if they are as wide open to NFL scouts and will gear play toward the NFL the league may have a shot.
I hope it succeeds. I don't think it will hurt college football in that enough good players will still go to college and it may force Alabama boosters to start paying more so it's more likely they get caught.
Yes you can't go to college if you do this, but everyone is upfront about what is expected. You don't have to go to school if you don't want and just play football.
Now if they are as wide open to NFL scouts and will gear play toward the NFL the league may have a shot.
I hope it succeeds. I don't think it will hurt college football in that enough good players will still go to college and it may force Alabama boosters to start paying more so it's more likely they get caught.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:25 am to forever lsu30
quote:If so, Arena Football would have more than 5 teams
3. The greater sports public is TIRED of MLB all summee long & NBA bball just isn't exciting anymore. Competitive football on TV, on a decent channel, will garner an audience.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:36 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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I don't think it will hurt college football in that enough good players will still go to college
Not right away. But this could eventually turn into something to replace college football, if they're able to increase wages and demonstrate a value to players by getting them drafted and being successful in the league. We all saw this coming.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:37 am to chalmetteowl
This has the potential to be very beneficial all around. It gives athletes that aren't good students more exposure. It will also give them a valuable lesson in money management. They can also take some JUCO classes if they'd like and just get a trade instead of going the traditional academic route. I love this idea and it can be very successful if marketed correctly.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:40 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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This has potential.
um, no
$50,000 per player means a payroll of $3 mil per team.
The caliber of player that you will attract will be low IQ, discipline problems, substance abusers, etc. Expect a TON of dismissals. Then word gets around that you cant go back to play in college, and poof, business model crumbles
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:45 am to RobbBobb
quote:Yeah, but the type of players you listed aren't going to make it through college either so..........
um, no
$50,000 per player means a payroll of $3 mil per team.
The caliber of player that you will attract will be low IQ, discipline problems, substance abusers, etc. Expect a TON of dismissals. Then word gets around that you cant go back to play in college, and poof, business model crumbles
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:55 am to WilsonPickett
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Uh, we talking 6-8 games? Maybe 4-6 weeks of practice/training. so $50k for 3-4 months of work aint bad.
38k after taxes and before living expenses in Southern California.
or you could go get a free education, in many cases at good schools, on top of similar job training.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:56 am to RobbBobb
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The caliber of player that you will attract will be low IQ, discipline problems, substance abusers, etc. Expect a TON of dismissals. Then word gets around that you cant go back to play in college, and poof, business model crumbles
You mean just like a number of players in CFB at this very moment? Also, way to generalize. Not every single person who doesn't go to college is a dumbass. Additionally, do I really need to point out the hilarity of some of the classes athletes take today? Before you get any stupid ideas, I'm in college now.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:38 pm to Choupique19
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Can't these guys get coaching jobs in college?
Excuse my rant.
Because marble mouth rubes get them like they do at LSU?
I don't know the politics involved in College hiring , but don't pretend like these people know more about Football or what it takes to make it / prepare for the NFL than those that have actually played.
Just watching recently where Danny White coached Arena League football . But I'm sure Les Miles or Orgeron know more about how to play in the NFL or what it takes than Danny White?
Fred Bilitenikof & Charlie Joiner ( whom Bill Walsh called the greatest route runner & most intelligent player he's coached ) barely hung in as position coaches for over 50 years.
There are probably another Few hundred ex NFL receivers who know more about the Position than Dameyune Craig( who did not play the position) over at LSU.
HCBU schools like Grambling ,Morgan State,Jackson State ,etc....have more NFL Hall of Famers than every SEC school not named Alabama despite not recruiting 4 or 5 star players in over 3 or 4 decades.
I guess those HCBU coaches were obviously better at "developing" superior NFL talent?
Every player Les Miles, Orgeron or Saban coached that went to the NFL would have gone to the League had they gone to Grambling Southwest Ms. Community College and been just as prepared.
Its only delusional College Football fans who feel their Pro prospects are a products of some great instruction.
College Baseball & Basketball fans know better .
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:45 pm to RobbBobb
They will have to generate or be provided with that payroll money. Then they will have to have the type of strength and agility facilities and coaches that colleges have along with nutritional programs, etc.
How much do you think a P5 school spends on this type of stuff? Would a minor league be able to generate enough money to pay players and compete in this arena, too?
How much do you think a P5 school spends on this type of stuff? Would a minor league be able to generate enough money to pay players and compete in this arena, too?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:54 pm to Bench McElroy
I like the idea. The big advantage the major colleges has is the established training, nutrition, and medical facilities. The startup will not be able to match that.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:00 pm to ptra
Just by reading the OP, I'm assuming the NFL is backing this, so the training/facilities etc. will likely be better than the majority of colleges if not all of them depending on how much the NFL and others invest in this.
Edited for clarity.
Edited for clarity.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:31 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Why would I go play for $50k when I could get well over 100k at an sec school?
That's just it...Some of these kids that don't ever plan to graduate never recognize the value of the 100k. This is a tough one because we see some kids who:
- college influences and changes forever
- never make the grades to get in
- become part of their first real family
- flunk out
- get their first $10 and buy stupid stuff
Could go on and on but what a tough one...
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