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Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:07 am to The_Hornet
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55-27 and game 7 loss to the eventual Eastern Conference champion in the 2nd round.
and that was with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant missing 22 games. If they had stayed healthy very good chance they win 60+ and get home court and beat the Knicks and Rockets and win the championships
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:09 am to The_Hornet
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So much shite happen in that offseason, but if you had any history of the game, you'd know it already.
How bout you explain it to me bill simmons?
The acquisitions of Pete Myers, Bill Wennington and Corie Blount resulted in only 2 regular season wins less than the Jordan Bulls the season before.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:13 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
When MJ was on the court, I felt like he was always going for the jugular. If he needed 50pts, he would get it, if he saw a teammate getting hot, he would have 12-15 assists. On defense, he was the best on ball defender to ever play. imo
Lebron doesn't seem to have that same killer instinct.
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 12:16 am
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:17 am to Mattwells90
The Bulls sported the look of Armstrong and Harper in the backcourt, Pippen and Kukoc at the forward spots, and Perdue at center.
The Bulls had the two prime years that MJ was gone to prove that. They didn't. . I can imagine this Heat team ,without LeBron, doing as well as a second round exit and a 5th seed
The Bulls had the two prime years that MJ was gone to prove that. They didn't. . I can imagine this Heat team ,without LeBron, doing as well as a second round exit and a 5th seed
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 12:18 am
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:40 am to Adam Banks
Comparing LBJ vs MJ career advantages/disadvantages.
MJ:
Insane ambition to win
Phil Jackson
Jerry Krause
Pippen/Rodman
Media Darling
Better depth
Disadvantages:
Stacked East/West
More physical style of play.
LBJ:
Advantages:
East was dog shite for the past 12 years
Joined the big 3
Softer players/league
Best player in his era
Better nutritional data/doctors
4 years younger than MJ in draft
Disadvantages:
He stayed in Cleveland 7 years (by choice)
Has to be compared to MJ
Dan Gilbert
Mike Brown
Spoelstra
Taking these into account Lebron has had an easier path.BTW where are the defensive awards comparison?
MJ:
Insane ambition to win
Phil Jackson
Jerry Krause
Pippen/Rodman
Media Darling
Better depth
Disadvantages:
Stacked East/West
More physical style of play.
LBJ:
Advantages:
East was dog shite for the past 12 years
Joined the big 3
Softer players/league
Best player in his era
Better nutritional data/doctors
4 years younger than MJ in draft
Disadvantages:
He stayed in Cleveland 7 years (by choice)
Has to be compared to MJ
Dan Gilbert
Mike Brown
Spoelstra
Taking these into account Lebron has had an easier path.BTW where are the defensive awards comparison?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:44 am to asphinctersayswhat
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Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless
FORGIVE ME, BUT I AM SO HAPPY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS. TEAM BASKETBALL AND GUTS DESTROYED MENTALLY WEAK TALENT.
This thread was going all Skip Bayless so why not just include the obvious.
We all know the difference between LeBron and Jordan...this isn't some secret - and we don't need stats to age 29 to know the deal.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:46 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Bulls won 55 games without Jordan
It's not like they added Kukoc and Kerr or anything.
It's not like the Cavaliers lost Daughtery for 30 odd games at the end of the season, lost Larry Nance for roughly 50 games, and had Craig Ehlo retire before the season started.
It's not like the Celtics lost Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish to retirement and Reggie Lewis died or anything. Their best player this season was a guy named Dino. Dino. Din. Di. D.
It's not like the Hornets had their two top players in Mourning and Johnson miss over 50 games combined.
The Nets' best player- Drazen Petrovic was killed in the offseason.
The Pistons fell off the map.
So yeah, the Bulls were able to win 55 games despite losing Jordan. They also added two solid contributors in his place and half of the Eastern Conference was significantly worse than they were the prior season. Perspective kid. Get some.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:54 am to The_Hornet
And yet, the Cavs, in a "shitty Eastern Conference," still managed to win 19 games without Bron. Or was that Eastern Conference suddenly not so shitty compared to mid 90s?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:58 am to Volmanac
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:58 am to Volmanac
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SlowFlowPro has explained ad nauseum why age is a better way to compare, but by all means, if it makes your trolling feel more justified.
Of course, SFP is the end all be all....
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:00 am to Adam Banks
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Larry Hughes was the second best player on that team.
Funny, I've heard it was Daniel Gibson.... and Moe Williams.... and Andy. Seems they had a lot of decent second options on that team. And like I said, they were good enough to make it to the Finals. Hell they were good enough to win 50 games that year and they were good enough to win 66 games in 08-09 which is more wins that 2 of the Heat's 3 non strike shortened season teams.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:03 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
Only simple way to solve this argument imo...
U pick either MJ or LeBron to be on your team to win a finals series...
It's not even close in my book, MJ all day every day
U pick either MJ or LeBron to be on your team to win a finals series...
It's not even close in my book, MJ all day every day
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:06 am to Volmanac
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SlowFlowPro has explained ad nauseum why age is a better way to compare, but by all means, if it makes your trolling feel more justified.
The age argument is so stupid by Lebron fans
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:06 am to The_Hornet
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Funny, I've heard it was Daniel Gibson.... and Moe Williams.... and Andy. Seems they had a lot of decent second options on that team.
Mo Williams was not on the finals team, Daniel Gibson was a rookie and averaged 18.5 min per game 5.8 ppg and 1.5 assists, Anderson Varejo as a big man averaged as many boards as Lebron.
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And like I said, they were good enough to make it to the Finals.
Solely because of Lebron.
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 1:08 am
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:08 am to c on z
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If MJ didn't smoke and drink so much he probably would have played at a high level for a longer period of time.
Dude shut the frick up
you tried saying this before
MJ wasn't getting smashed and lighting up big arse cigars every day you dumb frick
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:08 am to StraightCashHomey21
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MJ wasn't getting smashed and lighting up big arse cigars every day you dumb frick
He was getting himself banished from the league though.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:12 am to Adam Banks
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quote:
And like I said, they were good enough to make it to the Finals.
Solely because of Lebron
the Heat would not have made it out of round 1 in the postseason and might not have even made the post-season had they been in the West...and played those teams all year long.
This was a spanking of a team that didn't even belong in the Finals.
God...the East sucks shite in the NBA and the NHL...and NFL.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:13 am to Volmanac
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And yet, the Cavs, in a "shitty Eastern Conference," still managed to win 19 games without Bron. Or was that Eastern Conference suddenly not so shitty compared to mid 90s?
4 of their top 8 scorers left - LeBron, Big Z, Shaq, West. Of the 4 who stayed, Williams averaged less than 30 mpg in 36 games before he got shipped out, Parker was 35 and missed 10 games, and Sideshow Bob missed 50 games. They shouldn't stay healthy, couldn't keep a consistent line-up, didn't even remotely replace LeBron with any sort of decent SF and did it with a new HC who had at best proven himself to be thoroughly mediocre.
Again get some perspective kids before I wipe the floor with you.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:13 am to c on z
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Why wear him down with the rest of the team doing next to nothing?
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